John_T Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Due to departure angle problems I am considering fitting a detachable tow bar. However, Southdown tell me they don't do one for a TD5 90 due to type approval issues. Making your own is (I understand) a no no because of insurance/legal issues and the only other type I can find is from those of whom we do not speak and is probably orange. Any other ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 damn i was going to say southdown, no idea then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nas90 Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Due to departure angle problems I am considering fitting a detachable tow bar. However, Southdown tell me they don't do one for a TD5 90 due to type approval issues. Making your own is (I understand) a no no because of insurance/legal issues and the only other type I can find is from those of whom we do not speak and is probably orange.Any other ideas? Fit a proper NAS rear step with 2 inch receptor. The Anniversary 50, for comparison, had an Anglised version with 2 holes to accept a normal UK spec swan neck tow ball. However, finding an American hitch with 50mm towball is the problem since they mostly use 2inch. I made a 50mm tow ball to fit the receptor, which is 2inches internal square cross section and has a Ø0.625inch pin with locking clip to hold the towball. I also made a pulling hitch to take a shackle, very useful for off-roading since there is more ground clearance. Only problem might be the insurance angle but since it is made by Land Rover I guess it has type approval for any Defender 90? Email me if you want some pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Scorpion don't sub manufacture that receiver - it's made by someone else, but I can't remember who - so I'm no use too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v8hybrid Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 i just made one for pritch which has two plates welded to the rear winch mount then removable from there. what is the deals with them being approved for insurance then? ads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 i am sure Dave would do one for you, its just made to order and hes a bit busy at the moment, you want me to ask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 (edited) what is the deals with them being approved for insurance then?ads Info on towbar type approval http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/towbars/type_approval.htm & vehicle categories http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/towbars/vehicle_categories.htm Edited June 21, 2006 by western Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v8bobber Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 I'd be interested to hear how this one pans out as I'm forever dragging the RRCs arse everywhere, it's like she's got worms! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 I am sure that I read somewhere that the Defender comes under the heading of commercial and therefor is exempt from the need for E marked towing equipment. IIRC, the Defender is either a commercial vehicle or a commercial vehicle adapted for the carriage of passengers - depending on the model. Don't quote me on that. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 if its not type approved how come Dave still sell them then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Maybe Dave sells them as a tank guard with detachable recovery hitch fo off road use only, if you want to attach a tow ball then that would be your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 You could try www.discoparts.com. I'm pretty sure they do something along these line for the DII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Maybe Dave sells them as a tank guard with detachable recovery hitch fo off road use only, if you want to attach a tow ball then that would be your choice. From the Southdown website:- "Southdown's Unique Detachable Towing System combines a Rear Fuel Tank Guards with a Removable Drop Plate. Thus eliminating the Ploughing effect that is so often experienced with standard towing equipment. All of our Detachable Tow Packs are rated to 3500kg in their Standard Format. Available in Black or Zinc Plated 5mm Steel with 10mm Bracketry." Given this statement they must be happy with their product liability cover. As JohnT says they don't do one for TD5's. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 The type approval thing only applies to later vehicles, not sure when from though. You can put whatever you want on older ones. Or move to a place like this where there are no stupid regulations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_T Posted June 22, 2006 Author Share Posted June 22, 2006 Thanks for all the replies/info guys. Even trickier than I had at first thought this tow bar thing! My truck is a 1999 model which started out as a hardtop but I have fitted windows and rear seats so I am not sure how this affects anything. I see from the link posted by Western that 1998 is the type approval date (hence Southdown's non manufacture for the TD5) but perhaps I need to check out if my truck is "passenger carrying" according to the law given that they have it as a hardtop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porny Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Thanks for all the replies/info guys.Even trickier than I had at first thought this tow bar thing! My truck is a 1999 model which started out as a hardtop but I have fitted windows and rear seats so I am not sure how this affects anything. I see from the link posted by Western that 1998 is the type approval date (hence Southdown's non manufacture for the TD5) but perhaps I need to check out if my truck is "passenger carrying" according to the law given that they have it as a hardtop. You can actually buy one from Land Rover... They do two types: Part number: STC8051 Which requires a nut and bolt to remove the swan neck tow hitch (the same type as used on a Disco 3) But you are still left with a drop plate that hangs down. But they also do one for the Australian spec Td5's. Which looks vitually the same as the one from Scorpian's.... LR part number: RAA621 - your local dealer should be able to order one... I keep meaning to try just out of a matter of interest. The thing is it comes as a reciever type hitch (same a NAS) so you could either get one of the those bolt on type ball sockets... or I think (but would need to check) you could use the drop plate assembly off a RR - as one of the UK type tow hitches uses a very similar looking NAS type reciever hitch. Which is part number: VUB000720 (or try someone like Equicar) Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nas90 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 The thing is it comes as a reciever type hitch (same a NAS) so you could either get one of the those bolt on type ball sockets... See my reply at top, if it is a genuine LR part it should be type approved, except possibly the TD5 needs a new approval? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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