Dads Toy Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I'm looking to get an air impact wrench but the questions' in the title - what do I go for? I have a 2hp compressor with a 50litre tank giving 9cfm. I've seen stuff from SIP,Sealey,Clarke but what's the difference between all the different one's? I've also hear Chicago Pneumatic are very good, but would I run out of puff with them? Any help appreciated. Malcolm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuck Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Don't wish to be rude but you would be better off giving a paraplegic a ratchet than trying to use sip, Clarke etc on a LR. I have Ingersoll Rand air tools, haven't found better yet. To be honest I think your compressor is a bit on the small size but you can always have a cup of tea and let it catch up if you are doing a lot of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longlandy Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 anything from a proper company other than clarke sealey and the like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vit rich Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 ingersoll rand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul90 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 +1 for Ingersoll Rand Mine is a 2135TiMAX. Awesome piece of kit. I've also got a Sealey and a Clarke gun, they don't come anywhere close. Cheap yes. Good no. They just gather dust now, you can have the Clarke one for beer money if you are local ;-) The IR uses less air (don't know how?) is smaller, lighter and is far more powerful. RRP is stupid but I paid £130 brand new off eBay. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I have 2 x Ingersol Rands, bought on recomendation of Jon White here, and he wsan't wrong I have (bought 1st) the monster 1/2 one, but then bought the smaller lighter easier to use 3/8 drive one Still man enough to undo wheel nuts that lesser 1/2 stuff won't, truly unbelivable power for isize They are not cheap, but can be got for a huge amount off RRP : 1/2 : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ingersoll-Rand-IR2135QTI-1/2%22-drive-Titanium-Impact-Gun_W0QQitemZ270659450714QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=204172381745&rvr_id=204172381745&cguid=78ece24f12c0a0aad4d54175fe839f47#ht_1239wt_905 Max Torque: 1054 Nm 3/8 : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/INGERSOLL-RAND-IR2115QTIMAX-TITANIUM-IMPACT-GUN_W0QQitemZ310203015436QQcategoryZ30917QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D15%26pmod%3D270659450714%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6671148349912909352#ht_1438wt_1139 still MAX TORQUE : 407 NM Not all air tools are the same, these are seriously good Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob86 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Another vote for Ingersol Rand. Dont think i'll go back to using CP. The model I use is a 2130xp, Its pretty quiet as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally V8 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I have an old 1/2" Snap on - brilliant bit of kit,never failed.Also a 3/8" one probably 4 years old,again no problems. I bought an IR air chisel and during the first job,(Disco boot floor) the spring that holds the tolls in shattered..... Couple of months on I'm still waiting for it to be replaced - not impressed. Alot of Snap on stuff is just as cr-p as everything else now,but at least they fix stuff or give you a loaner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 IR They seem to last longest at work Got a 1 1/2" drive CP which isn't as strong as our 1" IR...just so damn heavy G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jericho Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I have the IR 2135QTi too. Malcolm,your compressor will not keep up with it - I have tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handy_Andy Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 if I were getting a new one i would get the new IR, but my blue point has never let me down over the last 5 years.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Young Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I don't know; SIP/Sealey/Clarke have their uses. You could hold a door open with one. Or if you're working outside on a windy day, it would do a fine job of holding your workshop manual open at the right page. Heck, if you were really in a bind you could probably dig holes with it to plant bulbs or something. Jeff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuck Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warthog Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Sell the little Compressor and put the money towards a bigger 2nd Hand Air Compressor. Then go out and buy a Budget Rattle Gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dads Toy Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 Thanks everyone - it seems my initial thought when buying the compressor was right - get the biggest you can! Pity I didn't go with that and was persuaded the smaller one would be fine. I shall look at upgrading that then go for an Ingersoll Rand gun. Malcolm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexi Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I use this 240 volt model. I only have a 3hp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul90 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I've got one of those as well as the IR 2135 Has some grunt but is blooming heavy and big too. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UdderlyOffroad Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Ok I can only speak for myself as an amateur user but I have a £15 eblag rattle gun and a 2hp compressor (like the one you see advertised in the back of tabloid newspapers) and really for the uses I put it to its fine and will undo almost anything. If I do come across some nuts that are too stubborn, I tend to find that these will need work (freeing up with penetrating lube) or a breaker bar first. Just because you have the thules that will go into the >1000Nm range (that's a wrist-wrecker...), don't blindly set the undo-power to 11 and expect old LandieBolts to come apart. You'll damage something, worst case yourself. </grandmother-egg-sucking-lesson> That said, no-one is paying me for my spannering time. If I was doing this on the clock for a paying customer I would a) get trained b) invest in some decent tools. In other words the comments of the above folks may be valid for them, but I do sometimes question the advice doled out on this forum; the majority of us are amateurs and do not have the funds available to by 'pro' quality kit, nor should we need to for most jobs. All that said...I want a bigger compressor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 In other words the comments of the above folks may be valid for them, but I do sometimes question the advice doled out on this forum; the majority of us are amateurs and do not have the funds available to by 'pro' quality kit, nor should we need to for most jobs. All that said...I want a bigger compressor I agree with that ... what is appropriate for a commercial workshop or some of the overkill enthusiasts who spend every evening and weekend in the workshop is probably a bit much for somebody who just does a bit of stuff on their own truck. I have just looked at the above as my old Draper rattle gun is getting tired and was never great when it was new so I think I'm going to get a CP734 which seems like a reasonable compromise of price (£77 ex vat) and ability (425lbft) for something that will most likely only get used a couple of times a month. I'm not poor but there's no way I'd spend £250 on one for occasional use, obviously a different story for workshop use but even a cheap rattle gun works quite well if you put 160psi though it instead of 90 I need a bigger compressor too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Young Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I think it depends on what the question is. Some of us want to know "will cheap-and-cheerful get the job done?" Others want to know "is the step up to middle-of-the-road worth the cost difference?" And still others want to know "is the bees-knees tool something that will make me smile every time I use it?" All three seem to me to be valid questions. Trouble is when someone asks "what should I buy?" we don't really know which question they're asking. Some of us provide the answer to 1, while others provide the answers to 2 or 3. Jeff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dads Toy Posted March 9, 2011 Author Share Posted March 9, 2011 Good point Jeff. I think I've got the answer to question 3 with the Ingersoll Rand but my compressor won't run that. So until I can upgrade I'm looking to see if there's an answer to question 1 for the interim and if so what? "The answer's easy, it's the question that's difficult" springs to mind. Malcolm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zardos Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I think it depends on what the question is. Some of us want to know "will cheap-and-cheerful get the job done?" Others want to know "is the step up to middle-of-the-road worth the cost difference?" And still others want to know "is the bees-knees tool something that will make me smile every time I use it?" All three seem to me to be valid questions. Trouble is when someone asks "what should I buy?" we don't really know which question they're asking. Some of us provide the answer to 1, while others provide the answers to 2 or 3. Jeff. May be this 1,2,3 approach should put as a pinned guidance post for the Tools and Fab forum, so if you recommend tools then you say if your answer is 1,2 or 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zardos Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Good point Jeff. I think I've got the answer to question 3 with the Ingersoll Rand but my compressor won't run that. So until I can upgrade I'm looking to see if there's an answer to question 1 for the interim and if so what? "The answer's easy, it's the question that's difficult" springs to mind. Malcolm I would say that a cheapy like Clarke with the pressure wound up is nearly as good as an Ingersoll Rand at lower pressure. This is comparing an Ingersoll Rand at 7bar vs Clarke at 10 bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I think it depends on what the question is. Some of us want to know "will cheap-and-cheerful get the job done?" Others want to know "is the step up to middle-of-the-road worth the cost difference?" And still others want to know "is the bees-knees tool something that will make me smile every time I use it?" All three seem to me to be valid questions. Trouble is when someone asks "what should I buy?" we don't really know which question they're asking. Some of us provide the answer to 1, while others provide the answers to 2 or 3. Good points. I suppose asking for tool advice without background is a bit like the posts (and phone calls for those of us who work in the business) along the lines of "my rover is broken can anybody tell me what is wrong" with no further info on either the vehicle or the problem In fact in reality the answer to all three above questions is usually Yes (yes a cheap one will more or less do the job, yes a better one will do it better and yes a bling one will give you a throb if you like that sort of thing) so then it's just a case of how much you want to spend My spec and I think a good base spec on a rattle gun is that if it can't take off slightly overtightened wheelnuts at 100psi then it ain't much good. That's why I'm buying a new one - Draper might claim 250ft lb for the one I have, but it won't take off wheel nuts done up to half that unless I crack them off first with a breaker bar or stuff 150psi up it and my compressor only does 115. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 ^^^ I Like that I HATE paying out money for something that when you try and use it it is less than F useless and I've wasted my money - whereas some cheap things are fab (Speedglass cheater lens for example) Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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