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I didn't know this but I spent the weekend in Flanders studying the history of WW1, and our guide mentioned the use of chemical warfare, particularly phosgene gas. On doing some reading afterwards, I hadn't realised but there's a serious hazard here for us all.

Brake cleaner contains trichloroethylene, and welding heat OR THE UV RADIATION from the arc can be enough to dissociate it, where it forms phosgene. It's powerful enough to be fatal at 4 ppm, and gives you a nasty turn at lower concentrations :blink: The same is true of freon, though I don't think our A/C systems are likely to use this refridgerant.

This chap had a close call with it.

Be careful out there folks. ;)

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tetrachloroethylene, similar. Sounds more nasty (and fatal)than Galv, but you are more likely to accidentaly weld galv and breathe the fume. Also not good for you. :(

http://www.anvilfire.com/iForge/tutor.php?lesson=safety3/demo

Pete

Welding Galv leaves the back of the weld really nice as the burning zinc keeps oxygen away from the weld. Obviously your life is a high price to pay for an aesthetically appealing weld though.

When my dad was first welding they used to be advised to drink a pint of milk after welding galvanised steel ... I wonder if there was actually any benefit from that?

The fumes do make your lungs ache for a day or two afterwards when you take deep breaths, although I imagine the damage is longer lasting.

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As far as I know, UK (and other European) brake cleaners haven't contained trichloroethylene for a pretty long time and in general you'd be hard pressed to find products with it in for home or light industrial use.

A typical commercial brake cleaner Wurth Brake cleaner certainly doesn't contain it.

Whilst we should be careful of what we subject ourselves to in our workshops, I wouldn't unduly worry either!!

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When my dad was first welding they used to be advised to drink a pint of milk after welding galvanised steel ... I wonder if there was actually any benefit from that?

We used to get free milk at work because we used lead on vehicle bodies :)

Mo

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