pugwash Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 I can understand what you are saying but just like women/haynes manuals/politicians - some things are sent just to confuse us, life would be truly dull if everything made sense? B) yeah that's very true. i will remain confused i fear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydiesel Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 it's like buying a jeep rather a land rover Imagine that you'd get leaks, draughts, carp build quality, pathetic front axles, poor back axles, iconic status, galvernised body, superb 4 ltr engine.................. And the after market for jeeps make the after market for landys look pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maarten88 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I noticed "underbody protective paint", wonder what that might be..... Maarten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Imagine that you'd get leaks, draughts, carp build quality, pathetic front axles, poor back axles, iconic status, galvernised body, superb 4 ltr engine.................. You still talking about TVR !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 This is just as illogical as spending £100,000 on a escort cosworth to get it to go quick, rather that can just going out and buy a TVR. (saw this on Vroom Vroom last night) Not to my taste but I can see the point. You'll not get much shopping in a TVR. No room for child seats etc. Horses for courses. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 Not to my taste but I can see the point. You'll not get much shopping in a TVR. No room for child seats etc. Horses for courses. To my, admittedly, over logical and boring brain you'd spend 50k on a TVR and 50k on a merc. OR just go and spend 100k on a brabus or something exotic, easy to use and well built. it's clear than i am just a grupmy old man way before my time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Raider Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 NOT AIMED AT ANYONE PERSONALLY. i have been reading this thread with interest, and as a woman with a bling truck that rarely (if ever) goes offroad in the way you guys would deem "proper" offroading, i cant help but wonder.... what does it matter? so his (and mine) are shinies, so yours is a all singing all dancing challenge truck??? at the end of the day it is a Landrover! something i thought we all shared a common interest and love of???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 NOT AIMED AT ANYONE PERSONALLY. i have been reading this thread with interest, and as a woman with a bling truck that rarely (if ever) goes offroad in the way you guys would deem "proper" offroading, i cant help but wonder.... what does it matter? so his (and mine) are shinies, so yours is a all singing all dancing challenge truck??? at the end of the day it is a Landrover! something i thought we all shared a common interest and love of???? the handbags are up seriously, I don't think the original post was making this point. It was saying if the guy wants to only use it on-road, why lift it by 2 inches, stick a heavy roll cage from North Offroad, a heavy winch and bumper on the front, a snorkel etc etc. It just doesn't make sense and he obviously has done it because he likes the look of an off-road prepped truck even though it spoils the handling performance on road. There were plenty of other vehicles in same article that had been tweaked for clearly on road use, lowered suspension, big alloys, engine tunes etc and he didn't mention them, so I assume he has no objection at all with 4x4's being used for on road only. Each to their own, but the guy is a bit of plonker spending his money on equip that he'll never use and affects on road handling and performance. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Raider Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 like i said ... it takes allsorts to wear the green oval? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 the handbags are up seriously, I don't think the original post was making this point. It was saying if the guy wants to only use it on-road, why lift it by 2 inches, stick a heavy roll cage from North Offroad, a heavy winch and bumper on the front, a snorkel etc etc. It just doesn't make sense and he obviously has done it because he likes the look of an off-road prepped truck even though it spoils the handling performance on road. There were plenty of other vehicles in same article that had been tweaked for clearly on road use, lowered suspension, big alloys, engine tunes etc and he didn't mention them, so I assume he has no objection at all with 4x4's being used for on road only. Each to their own, but the guy is a bit of plonker spending his money on equip that he'll never use and affects on road handling and performance. Cheers Steve Steve, thank you so much- i wish i had put it this eloquently to start with. as you say the other trucks all make sense- the mods have been to improve the road handling of a vehicle. This chap seems to gone out of his way to make his truck less suited to the enviroment it will be inhabiting. i just think it's a bit silly really. it would be as stupid as building a challange truck with the blingiest paint job in the world fitting it with Pirelli Rossos on 20" rims and disappearing to the RFC in it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Fone/Phone - opps slipped into 'chavvish' its my age i cant help it sorry. i dont have a problem with people having 4x4s & not using them as 4x4s. tow cars (i think pikeyvans where mentioned above) mean a heavier car & maybe 4x4 makes sense. i was just expressing my preference that if i didnt play offroad i wouldnt have a 4x4, indeed when i almost gave up mud i got as far as advertising the disco before seeing sense. pointless 'bling' is silly isnt it? but a tricked up LR that goes offroad twice a year is no worse than a sportscar with loads of toys ready for a couple of track days really is it? it a hobby etc etc etc think he'd lend me his cheque book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Well guys I bet he p****s Greenpeace off so he has got to be a good guy The bigger question here is.......... How low are LRO going to go, is that all they can find, "a guy who buys a load of bits and bolts them on with no effort what so ever!" Not his fault but come on LRO do better!!! Lara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Brock Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 "a guy who buys a load of bits and bolts them on with no effort what so ever!"Lara. Sure he's not a LRO Journo ?, that's all they do ! , well.............saying that, they don't even buy it or fit it themselves....just say look what I've done now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigster Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 at least they get something done to though LES... how long parked up... I'll get me coat.. Sure he's not a LRO Journo ?, that's all they do ! , well.............saying that, they don't even buy it or fit it themselves....just say look what I've done now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Well guys I bet he tinkles Greenpeace off so he has got to be a good guy The bigger question here is.......... How low are LRO going to go, is that all they can find, "a guy who buys a load of bits and bolts them on with no effort what so ever!" Not his fault but come on LRO do better!!! Lara. Actually I want to take that all back Fair play to you mate! do what you want and welcome to the Green Oval Mandy is dead right, For once a woman I agree with Lara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Raider Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 xxx Julian ! ok you win... yours is better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Raider Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 right rant mode on ! thread highjack coming!!!!!.....mods deleate this if you wish!! will not rant at you for doing so!! whilst on the subject of LRO...... you all know that i am involved with a tour company and whilst we are on the subject i AM NOT looking for business by posting this WELL lro (wont give them capital letters i am sooo mad about it!) have not only done a story on crossing the Alps but they have a VIDEO as well!!! for the last 6 YEARS( way before we made our trips into a business) i have tried to get them to cover the fact that a group EVERYDAY joes and their LR's do this trip.camping in the wilds repairing their own trucks when needed, taking amazing film and photographic footage but it was deemed not interesting enough!!!! BUT JP, half a dozen editorial staff( ala Top Gear mode) a new RR sport ,and a Disco 3doing a scaled down version are what the readers of lro get instead???? My Tombraider is shiney and yes it has bolt ons, but it has done this trip twice ! even if on one of them it spent more time in an Italian garage then it did off road!!!! RIGHT RANT NOW OVER!( and i have taken my pills, had a lay down etc etc) and if anyone wonders why i didnt post this on lro.... i did !!! but i dont expect a reply!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 The bloke can spend money on what he wants, agreed, but LRO (sorry Mandy, lro) are really scraping the barrel if they give that sort of stuff a feature. Nothing interesting or different has been done to it as far as I can tell that anyone else couldn't do by throwing a 90 and a chequebook at one of lro's advertisers. Perhaps, and this is pure speculation, he's such a good customer of one or more of lro's advertisers that he got featured. After all, every other article in lro reads like an advert already Mandy - why would they want to feature real people & vehicles when they can suck up to Land Rover and their assorted advertisers Oh and kiss Vince Cobley's a*se. It still amazes me that they are in denial about the Santana, it p*** over anything LR currently make but the mags still say it's not quite as good. I think my TOR subscription will be continuing for some time yet, it may have staples in it but it's 100x better than any of the LR mags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 The very fact that there are people out there doing stuff like this to Landrovers justifies an article. It will be interesting to someone, even if it is not us. I have to say that I find Sewing machine monthly a bit dull, sandbag likes it though. I just don't read it and it does not upset me. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 seriously, I don't think the original post was making this point. It was saying if the guy wants to only use it on-road, why lift it by 2 inches, stick a heavy roll cage from North Offroad, a heavy winch and bumper on the front, a snorkel etc etc. It just doesn't make sense and he obviously has done it because he likes the look of an off-road prepped truck even though it spoils the handling performance on road. And?? so should the camel owners club be abolished because they're not doing a trans jungle trip? Each to their own, but the guy is a bit of plonker spending his money on equip that he'll never use and affects on road handling and performance. 'nuff said really! The bigger question here is.......... How low are LRO going to go, is that all they can find, "a guy who buys a load of bits and bolts them on with no effort what so ever!" Not his fault but come on LRO do better!!! Does LRO not stand for Land Rover Owner?? It doesn't stipulate whether they have to be a Cobley-follower, a green laner, a challenge eventer,an electricity board 130" cherrypicker driver,an ex military DPM wearing show eventer, a camel trophy veteran or a road racer (in the loosest terms! ) Just an owner, doesn't matter what they do with them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 i cant see the problem, everyone clearly doesn't like the mag, so just dont buy it, job done. as for blingy up his truck, it is his and his money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Raider Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 true... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Just to add to my post: it's no different than the types that get featured who have just thrown their chequebook at scr*pir*n/D4x4 etc. to build a challenge spec motor, both are equally uninteresting as anyone can have a radom assortment of bling bolted to a 90. Again, TOR seem to get it right more often and feature people who have done something different, new, or just a bit smarter than wave their chequebook around. Oh and before this kicks off into a "chequebook" argument, I don't begrudge anyone spending money on their landy, it's the lack of imagination that tends to go with it that gets me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 The very fact that there are people out there doing stuff like this to Landrovers justifies an article. It will be interesting to someone, even if it is not us. I have to say that I find Sewing machine monthly a bit dull, sandbag likes it though. I just don't read it and it does not upset me. I guess you're right Chris. It would appeal to the "oooh I saw one of those on the motorway and I want one just like it" of whom no doubt there are many - folk who want the "look" but wouldn't know who made a Safari snorkel if you biffed them over the head with it. Thinking back to books when I were a nipper, you could call it the "Ladybird guide to building an offroader" After all, much of Land Rover (and any other "brand" car/4x4) ownership is about image, whether we like it or not. Anybody who has ever read a brochure will understand this, the brochures featuring Mr & Mrs Irritatingly-Handsome and their 2.4 gleaming children surfing over a snow capped mountain or some such drivel. If they put a photo of a Freelander in a Tescos car park with a dog slobbering over the loadspace windows and the 2.4 spotty childen smearing chocolate over the interior I guess they'd sell less cars, even if it was more truthful I like reading LRO/LRE in the same way I like reading the Sun; usually some good pictures in it but I don't necessarily take the editorial content as gospel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 are you disputing the validity of the Sun as a source of current affairs information and in depth world commentary and analysis?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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