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I'm considering a trip to Morocco in due course, and I have two types of roof for my car. The soft top was great in Spain and the Pyrenees, roof on and sides rolled up, so that's my preference. A hard top would be more secure (and easier to put a roof tent onto) but am I more likely to bake to death?

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Hard top. Soft top will be insecure, impractical if it rains in the Atlas and you'll get covered in dust in the south.

For the desert sections/southern bit you're much better off in a well sealed truck with air con. I know that's not very hardcore, but it's true.

Ventilation equals dust in all your gear (ask me how I know).

Although a lot of car parks in Morocco have security guards or guardians it would still be pretty brave to leave a soft top unattended.

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I do have a lockable shelf over the rear load bed, and it kept everything fairly secure when we were in Europe.

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Is Morocco much worse? Especially since I anticipate we'll be sleeping with the cars, but I would like to leave it if we head out to explore any towns.

James - Aircon? :hysterical: Let's just carry on as if I don't have aircon...

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you're much better off in a well sealed truck with air con. I

Well that rules out a Defender then,,

Even with AC and all sealed shut, the dust WILL get in, certainly round the rear door,

24 hours down south , and you will be able to write in the dust on the dash !! even with a new Defender !

A Rag top tour of Morocco, There a idea :)

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A rag top tour of the South of France sounds good, a rag top tour of Morocco sounds miserable.

I went with a friend in a Td5 110 and even the rubbish Defender sealing and rubbish Defender Air-con was better then nothing. He might have been able to write in the dust on his dash, I could write in the dust on my face after an hour on Lak Iriki in my 90.

J

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Well, Tim and I did the south of France (some of it) in soft tops this summer, and it was good, but I take your point re dust. The hard top certainly seals better than the canvas but we certainly wouldn't asphyxiate overnight with the doors shut.

I understand the accepted African method is sides rolled down, back rolled up and both front vents wide open. And accepting that everything unsealed will be dusty :)

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My wife and I went through Morocco in the late 90's. I bought two second hand Peli cases that were in perfect condition, one to hold some of our more valuable paper work and the other had some spares in.

I did not need to open the second one at all while we were away, but when we got home and I got around to sort things out there was a film of dust/sand in the case - it does get everywhere!!

Peter.

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I've done Morocco and a few other North African countries in a soft top 90, and to be honest there's no benefit at all with a rag top.

if you go during the summer you'll be baked either way, a canvas hood gets just as hot as a tin top (our thermometer went over 60 degrees in the cab in the south of Morocco!)

Dust is a big problem, there are more entry points with a soft top - you and everything you own will be covered in it if you're running on dusty tracks - opening the vents does little to help and if you keep the tail flap open, the dust trail you leave gets drawn inside even quicker

I never found security to be a problem, and never had my vehicle tampered with in any way in any country, but I certainly wouldn't leave it anywhere with the sides rolled up.

The biggest annoyance for me with long road trips in a soft top is the noise though. It's a lot higher, and the flapping noise you get from even a well strapped down hood starts to hurt your ears after a while.

A white hard top lined with insulation would work well, or a roof tent or rack with something on it does a good job of keeping the roof cool as well.

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If you were to go with the soft top and cope with the dust, is there a way you could weld small mesh to the sides and top of the soft top frame, another piece like a dog guard behind your seats and a third bit as a hinged back door? That way you can lock the back with your kit inside, but still have the ability to fold the sides/back up?

Not a very good description, but something like this: (albeit with steel not nylon)

http://www.exmoortrim.co.uk/store/defender-products/defender-hoods/90-full-hoods/xs-mesh-top-to-fit-heavy-duty-bar-set-detail.html

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Well that rules out a Defender then,,

Even with AC and all sealed shut, the dust WILL get in, certainly round the rear door,

24 hours down south , and you will be able to write in the dust on the dash !! even with a new Defender !

A Rag top tour of Morocco, There a idea :)

If you have the right aircon fitted you can pressurise even the 110 to keep the bulldust out , but not really justified for an occasional trip on a gravel road .

When it really hot you need to ventilate indirectly , as the hot air can end up giving you wind burn

security with a soft top as suggested will work but you can end up getting the canvas slashed before they find the steel mesh inside HTSH

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  • 3 weeks later...

This photo you see here was taken on the (in)famous Birdsville track two years ago and since then Julie and I have traveled through 70% of the Australian deserts with, at times, bull dust a foot deep. The solution I found from old timers to stopping dust getting in the rear and side doors is reasonably simple - heavy axle grease. The tin I got was for Catapillar heavy earth movers, at 40 plus degrees C it was still fairly solid and the more it absorbed dust the thicker it became. All I did was to smear it thickly on the rubber door seals. Overnight it becomes solid as the temperature drops and re-applying it with a palet knife the next morning takes 5 minutes and the interior of my trusty Disco stays 'reasonably" dust free. Once home a rag and some kerro and all traces are easily removed.

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Oh, and I grew up in Kenya, while trying to to be politically correct if you go in a soft top dont expect to go home with all your valuble belongings, especially if you are unfortunate to meet any bedu gypsies --- while you are distracted by one lot the others (and the women are the worst) will be into and onto your gear and anything not tied down will go -- use the hard top and keep it locked !!!!!

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Without AC in Morocco, being in my 110 was a very dusty experience as we had vent flaps and windows open. There is still a lot of dust in there three (?) years later!

Chris

We was hardcore :)

On the plus side you'll get double sun protection if you use sun cream as the dust sticks to the cream forming a thick protective coating :)

Mo

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