jules Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Tony your wrong i'm afraid mate....If you disconnect the batteries when your tdi is running it will, just keep running This is because the alternater provides the power. You require a proper cut off switch that has in built seperatotrs to stop everything...DEAD B) These switches are available (From ourselves) are are about £20 Try staring your engine and then disconnecting the battery, you might be suprised..... Jim Try getting round Freelander ECU's with a cut off took a while but easy once you know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Tony, I've found its also worth having a fuel cutoff very close at hand in case of an emergency; its not the easiest thing in the world to reach the battery box in an emergency. FYI I've got one on the central console and had one on the cubby box when I was manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Tony, I've found its also worth having a fuel cutoff very close at hand in case of an emergency; its not the easiest thing in the world to reach the battery box in an emergency. FYI I've got one on the central console and had one on the cubby box when I was manual. If its a MSA scrutineer checking the car before a event he will insiste that is in reach of the driver and co-drive (both must ba able to reach it). It is with racing AWDC challenge may be a little more lax but I doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8CAMEL Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 If its a MSA scrutineer checking the car before a event he will insiste that is in reach of the driver and co-drive (both must ba able to reach it).It is with racing AWDC challenge may be a little more lax but I doubt it doesn't it also have to accessed externally to the vehicle as well so that marshalls can kill the power. Mine is in the centre of the vehicle with two red "bonnet" release cables to either side of the vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reads90 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Tony, I've found its also worth having a fuel cutoff very close at hand in case of an emergency; its not the easiest thing in the world to reach the battery box in an emergency. FYI I've got one on the central console and had one on the cubby box when I was manual. I don't know will. If my truck was going over you would find my head in the passenger footwell anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 I don't know will. If my truck was going over you would find my head in the passenger footwell anyway I agree unless you're wearing a harness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Bar Cowboy Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Try staring your engine and then disconnecting the battery, you might be suprised.....Jim Nah.......... dont do that because its a good way to completly f'ck up a good alternator ....... especially the later models due to the way in which the regulator works............. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 All fitted now thanks for all the responses I moved the F/Winch ioslator so I could put it in easy reach of the driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
najw Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Jules Doesn't have to be activated externally, but stickers must be attached to the doors advising where the cut out is if its not external. AWDC Do you need external access to the cut off at the base of the wind screen on both side's if your out cold in the truck a marshall can kill the power to prevent the threat of fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reads90 Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 All fitted now thanks for all the responsesI moved the F/Winch ioslator so I could put it in easy reach of the driver. WOW tony is that a crappy halfords one or a Lucas one you have there. I thought some one like you would have put a hella one in . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reads90 Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 I agree unless you're wearing a harness. A what ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 8, 2006 Author Share Posted November 8, 2006 No Ali it is one from Peter Lloyd rallying not halfords. you're in top form again I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reads90 Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 No Ali it is one from Peter Lloyd rallying not halfords.you're in top form again I see. yeah bored at work while you lot are asleep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 8, 2006 Author Share Posted November 8, 2006 didn't care for the initial wiring so I changed it this AM old new finished item Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 the Red key with the lip to stop water like Tony has is the correct msa type Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 Does the key also isolate the winches or are these on the separate isolators? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 The FIA engine cut out switches will melt if the winch current goes through them, like the cheapo cut out switches. I can't comment how anyone else has done it but in my setup the power for the switching side of the winch solenoid is only live when the ignition is live so by switching off the engine cut out switch this stops the winch too. Only thing that is then still live is the power feed to the winch solenoid which has it's own cut out switch which is mianly for short protection of that line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 The FIA engine cut out switches will melt if the winch current goes through them, like the cheapo cut out switches. I can't comment how anyone else has done it but in my setup the power for the switching side of the winch solenoid is only live when the ignition is live so by switching off the engine cut out switch this stops the winch too. Only thing that is then still live is the power feed to the winch solenoid which has it's own cut out switch which is mianly for short protection of that line. That was pretty much my expectation but does that pass the AWDC/MSA regs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 It passed. Most (if not all) competitors vehicles at AWDC events that I have noticed have seperate cut offs for engine and each winch. I'm not sure how many have the engine cut off also switch the winch off like mine. The only way my winch would carry on operating after switching the engine cut off is if the winch solenoid had 'welded' itself closed, I'm led to believe this can't/doesn't happen with albrights due to the method of construction/switching, although it can happen with traditional solenoids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LS26 Posted January 14, 2007 Share Posted January 14, 2007 It passed.Most (if not all) competitors vehicles at AWDC events that I have noticed have seperate cut offs for engine and each winch. I'm not sure how many have the engine cut off also switch the winch off like mine. The only way my winch would carry on operating after switching the engine cut off is if the winch solenoid had 'welded' itself closed, I'm led to believe this can't/doesn't happen with albrights due to the method of construction/switching, although it can happen with traditional solenoids. I got the AWDC Challenge Event Regulations 2006 from somewhere - I thought they would give me guidance in my build - and they state (among other things) that vehicles should be fitted with: ...circuit breaker which isolates the battery from all electrical circuits and cuts the engine at the same time and is easily operable by the driver whilst correctly seated. And if you have a winch: ... a second circuit breaker which isolates the winch from all other electrical circuits <cut & shut> clearly marked and in an accessible position <cut & shut> a marshal should be able to see it and turn it off. Rog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted January 14, 2007 Author Share Posted January 14, 2007 Does the key also isolate the winches or are these on the separate isolators? there are three isolators on the battery box 2 ceramic ones one per winch FIA battery cut off for just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRWOO Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 there are three isolators on the battery box2 ceramic ones one per winch FIA battery cut off for just that. Are the two black nobs to the right of the isolator terminal posts connected to the battery, if so I'm after something similar because I have Exmoor Opus seats bolted in so I run the risk of having to unbolt the seat if I need to get at the battery in emergencies, (I trust my Defender but not the battery!) Ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted January 23, 2007 Author Share Posted January 23, 2007 Yes they are connected to the batteries, they are individual cut off switches for each winch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 So they are not connected to the battery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 correct Mark, assuming your finishing the sentence.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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