Cornish Rattler Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) Hi guysReset the throttle linkage on a 200tdi FIP pump meaning removing the complete linkage from the splined shaft as the one on the new engine / FIP pump is all set wrong as the govorner comes in we'll before the plate reaches the stop, is there anything to worry about before i do it. Edited June 21, 2016 by Happyoldgit Edited title to reflect query 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 In the end i chickened out as i didn't want to chance it and something going wrong but found out from another sorce that the lift pump should be fitted with a spacer, but as the old one that i removed as a matter of corse didn't have one i didn't realise it had to have one so hopefully a spacer should do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Rattler, the lift pump should NOT have a spacer, the arm will not reach the cam if you fit one. The spacer is for earlier models. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 Rattler, the lift pump should NOT have a spacer, the arm will not reach the cam if you fit one. The spacer is for earlier models. Mo TBH i am not entirely sure myself as i replace the lift pump as a matter of course whilst replacing all the gaskets and seals after buying the engine so i don't know how it ran before i bought it, i have read up in the Haynes bible that some engines had them some didn't and son goes on the landy forum on FB and asked the ? on there and immediately everyone was saying you need a spacer so i will fit it and see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil110 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Might save you a lot of time and angst if you invested in a Land Rover manual rather than relying on haynes. There is a reason the factory manuals are typically 3 times thicker than the haynes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 It won't work and I didn't get that from Facebook ? The spacer is cast onto the block. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 there's a photo of the lift pump mounting plate on here somewhere showing the built in spacer block, I posted it a while ago, try a search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 Right i fitted the spacer and the engine ran the same as it did without the spacer fitted but whilst i was scratching my head wondering what it is i noticed the old lift pump that i thought i had thrown on the bench and noticed it look different to the new bearmach pump I had fitted so I am just wondering if it would make a difference but I need to find the paperwork first but would it give this problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Pictures speak a thousand words Rattler, do you have photos of the offending items so we can see ? Mo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 Pictures speak a thousand words Rattler, do you have photos of the offending items so we can see ? Mo Sorry mo I never gave it a thought I will post some tomorrow before I go to work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim2809 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 If your refering to the throttle lever on top of the fuel pump then if the idle speed is correct then dont touch it. It sounds like someone has adjusted the throttle stop thinking it will gove more power even though governor cuts in it will rev slightly higher. I would post up a pick to confirm it but i would wind the throttle stop back to touch the lever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 If your refering to the throttle lever on top of the fuel pump then if the idle speed is correct then dont touch it. It sounds like someone has adjusted the throttle stop thinking it will gove more power even though governor cuts in it will rev slightly higher. I would post up a pick to confirm it but i would wind the throttle stop back to touch the lever I have compared the setup with the old engine and they are both set the same, when i started the engine up for the first time last week it was slightly idling faster then the old engine was so i adjusted the idle screw back a tad and it idles nice now. I have decided to fit the old lift pump as i replaced the lift pump as a matter of course and never here'd the engine run before hand so I will give this ago and see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted June 23, 2016 Author Share Posted June 23, 2016 Here are some pic's of the old and new lift pumps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 You know the first one isn't connected, right? My coat, you are too kind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I've fitted an electric lift pump to my 200tdi (as have others on here). Mine is on a manual switch. I often forget to turn it on and it makes no difference whatsoever to the running of the engine. It will pull to 85/90 without the lift pump turned on. Thinking this was strange, i asked others on here and the reply was that if you don't have leaks in the system, the lift pump in the FIP is enough for this engine. What i am trying to say is that i don't think that the problem lies with your lift pump. On or off, mine doesn't affect the acceleration in the way you are describing. Do you have any potential air leaks in the system? This may affect it perhaps, but it doesnt sound like your issue to me. Either of the pumps you have above will be fine - only thing to check is that the arms on them both are the same length - they should be. They are just different configurations of the same thing. As the others have said, the spacer is built into the casting the pump bolts to on your engine, so there is no need for you to add one - if you do, the effect will be that the lift pump arm cannot reach the cam it sits on and it wont work at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted June 23, 2016 Author Share Posted June 23, 2016 You know the first one isn't connected, right? My coat, you are too kind! How do you mean as it was a while between removing / refitting / replacing stuff so yes i could have quite easily fitted the pipes the wrong way round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 No, the hose appears to have been snipped off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted June 23, 2016 Author Share Posted June 23, 2016 No, the hose appears to have been snipped off Yeah i had run out of clips to finish it off but it is on tight The Bearmach lift pump i bought with part number BR3256R i don't no what landy part number it aquat's to but just thought all 200tdi lift pumps were all the same but i wanted a Bearmach one and ordered this one, what do you think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted June 23, 2016 Author Share Posted June 23, 2016 I've fitted an electric lift pump to my 200tdi (as have others on here). Mine is on a manual switch. I often forget to turn it on and it makes no difference whatsoever to the running of the engine. It will pull to 85/90 without the lift pump turned on. Thinking this was strange, i asked others on here and the reply was that if you don't have leaks in the system, the lift pump in the FIP is enough for this engine. What i am trying to say is that i don't think that the problem lies with your lift pump. On or off, mine doesn't affect the acceleration in the way you are describing. Do you have any potential air leaks in the system? This may affect it perhaps, but it doesnt sound like your issue to me. Either of the pumps you have above will be fine - only thing to check is that the arms on them both are the same length - they should be. They are just different configurations of the same thing. As the others have said, the spacer is built into the casting the pump bolts to on your engine, so there is no need for you to add one - if you do, the effect will be that the lift pump arm cannot reach the cam it sits on and it wont work at all. Ok i will refit the old pump just incase the new one is faulty and see what happens, if not it looks like i may have inherited a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Yeah i had run out of clips to finish it off but it is on tight Not wishing to point out the obvious, but the rubber inlet hose on the first image you uploaded, has been cut off, i.e. while it is connected to the pump, it is not connected to anything at all at the other end. I doubt this is your issue, but was trying to make a joke, and obviously failing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted June 23, 2016 Author Share Posted June 23, 2016 Not wishing to point out the obvious, but the rubber inlet hose on the first image you uploaded, has been cut off, i.e. while it is connected to the pump, it is not connected to anything at all at the other end. I doubt this is your issue, but was trying to make a joke, and obviously failing Ha ha no prob's 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Not wishing to point out the obvious, but the rubber inlet hose on the first image you uploaded, has been cut off, i.e. while it is connected to the pump, it is not connected to anything at all at the other end. I doubt this is your issue, but was trying to make a joke, and obviously failing It looks like a length of rubber hose over the plastic hose, either for protection or to pack out the Jubilee clip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted June 23, 2016 Author Share Posted June 23, 2016 It looks like a length of rubber hose over the plastic hose, either for protection or to pack out the Jubilee clip. Yeah it was to pack the hose clip but will sort it over the weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted June 23, 2016 Author Share Posted June 23, 2016 Just thinking ahead if refitting the untested lift pump doesn't work has anyone removed the micro filter from the fuel line banjo bolt if so how does it come out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 Just thinking ahead if refitting the untested lift pump doesn't work has anyone removed the micro filter from the fuel line banjo bolt if so how does it come out No joy, refitted the old lift pump, removed the micro filter banjo bolt from the injection pump but found you can't remove it from the banjo bolt so had to refit it, so i have come to the conclusion my injection pump is naff, so i have adjusted the stop screw on the pedal for now so i have full rev's knowing the governor won't come in till i can afford to get the pump and injectors done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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