landroversforever Posted May 2 Posted May 2 Came here to day the same... That will be a nice feather in their cap! See if this works: Quote If this e-mail is not displayed properly, click here. Hi Ross, Introducing Grenadier Commercial. With a flat floor and a full-height cargo barrier behind the front seats, you’ll have over 2,000 litres of loadspace, and be able to carry a standard Euro pallet. Aimed at businesses that need a capable 4X4, it boasts the same great capability and specification as the original 2-seater Utility Wagon it replaces. But with specific changes that mean HMRC has confirmed you’ll be able to reclaim VAT. To be the first to find out when Grenadier Commercial orders open, follow the link below. Quote
jeremy996 Posted May 2 Author Posted May 2 Ineos Automotive sent me (and presumably lots of other people), an e-mail this morning:- "Introducing Grenadier Commercial. With a flat floor and a full-height cargo barrier behind the front seats, you’ll have over 2,000 litres of loadspace, and be able to carry a standard Euro pallet. Aimed at businesses that need a capable 4X4, it boasts the same great capability and specification as the original 2-seater Utility Wagon it replaces. But with specific changes that mean HMRC has confirmed you’ll be able to reclaim VAT." I guess they have finally been able to twist HMRC's arms the same way JLR did for the new Defender Commercials. Quote
Happyoldgit Posted May 2 Posted May 2 Just about to post a copy of the email but I see I have been beaten to it. A promising development, all they have to do now is sort the steering, loose the transmission tunnel bulge / pseudo footrest in the RHD models, increase the fuel tank capacity and poor ground clearance at the rear etc... oh and list some prices. Quote
landroversforever Posted May 2 Posted May 2 I'm asked a mate at the Mini dealer to ask his Ineos counterpart.... hopefully they've got the info! Quote
landroversforever Posted May 2 Posted May 2 Well that was quick... Quick run down (if I can understand my own scribbles) was rear seats and belt mountings remvoed, fixed panels for rear windows (no window option), fixed panels in the rear side doors and windows now non operable, and then the flat floor through from front to back. The latter I assumed was always the case? All done by a 3rd party to Ineos and then certified for HMRC. 1 1 Quote
Arjan Posted May 2 Posted May 2 Hope it sells a lot in the UK and consider yourselves very lucky. Holland from 1/1/2025 has decided that no longer there will be a difference between "commercial" and "passenger" vehicles. This means both in purchase and road tax everybody will pay the high rates. On a proper van, this can easily be € 20.000 more to buy and € 1.000 annually in road tax. 1 1 Quote
Bowie69 Posted May 2 Posted May 2 7 minutes ago, Arjan said: This means both in purchase and road tax everybody will pay the high rates. It's a bit more nuanced than that over here, if you are VAT registered (so a business) you can claim the VAT back, if you are a private individual then you can't claim it, it just goes into the governments purse. This even applies to second hand vehicles sold by a garage, which always feels a bit odd that on a £1K vehicle you have to pay £200 to the government for the privilege, a VAT registered buyer can still claim it back though. However the annual duty/tax/road fund licence/vehicle excise duty is based on emissions (mostly), and not dependent on whether it is a van or a car. Lorries are more again, of course, last time I heard which was about 10 years ago was of the order of £4K p.a., bound to have gone up by now. Quote
landroversforever Posted May 2 Posted May 2 Then you’ve got the craziness of a private HGV being cheaper to tax than probably any Disco/Defender/RRC Quote
Retroanaconda Posted May 2 Posted May 2 They’ve confirmed you’re able to reclaim VAT, but you could do that already as long as it was 100% for business use. One assumes that it is now possible to claim it back on a vehicle purchased for mixed business/personal use. The email doesn’t mention the benefit in kind situation though. I presume from this email, that it would now be okay (in terms of lower BiK rate) with the 2-seater commercial models. Quote
Anderzander Posted May 3 Posted May 3 I thought you couldn’t claim VAT back unless it was on their list ? If that’s not the case what is the point of the list ? It is all rather confusing ! Quote
ThreePointFive Posted May 3 Posted May 3 You can claim back the VAT on a Passat as long as you use it solely for work purposes, definitely not related to commercial vehicle status. 1 Quote
Bowie69 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 6 hours ago, Arjan said: Bowie : Purchase tax = NOT VAT Oh we have that too... 1 Quote
Retroanaconda Posted May 3 Posted May 3 9 hours ago, Anderzander said: I thought you couldn’t claim VAT back unless it was on their list ? If that’s not the case what is the point of the list ? It is all rather confusing ! The list people refer to is to do with benefit in kind status. As above the VAT can be claimed back on any piece of equipment, vehicles included, which is for the use of the business. We have loads of cars in the fleet at work, all 100% business use and not used for any personal journeys by staff. Quote
jeremy996 Posted May 4 Author Posted May 4 On 5/3/2024 at 9:21 AM, Anderzander said: I thought you couldn’t claim VAT back unless it was on their list ? If that’s not the case what is the point of the list ? It is all rather confusing ! The list is so out of date it is a bit of a joke. HMRC have been described in parliamentary committee as "not fit for purpose" and I struggle to disagree! 1 Quote
Anderzander Posted May 4 Posted May 4 I wondered if you would post on this … you are the forum financial advisor if I’m not mistaken ? 🤩 1 1 Quote
jeremy996 Posted November 23 Author Posted November 23 My Grenadier was in my local dealers for some warranty work on Friday, so I had a hard look at the "Commercial" they had in the showroom. £56,615 +VAT. Inky Black, van sides as standard, the rear windows are fixed and obscured. Second row doors still open, but the windows are fixed. Flat floor from rear doors to load divider. Full length flat floor. A steel box supporting the load bed, bolted down to the vehicle floor. Fancy floor with catches to give access to the battery. Full height load separator, with a slightly "Heath Robinson" top bracket. Window switch deleted and a blanking plate in place. 1 Quote
Lightning Posted November 29 Posted November 29 lt's nice, but very expensive at £65,000 including VAT My Defender Commercial was £55,000 including VAT and that was bad enough. At least businesses will get the tax back. 1 Quote
Arjan Posted December 1 Posted December 1 "Defender Commercial was £55,000 including VAT" If only that was in France...... Quote
landroversforever Posted December 1 Posted December 1 8 hours ago, Arjan said: "Defender Commercial was £55,000 including VAT" If only that was in France...... What are they in France then @Arjan? Quote
Lightning Posted December 1 Posted December 1 (edited) The price has gone up. My Defender was originally £51,000 including VAT with the extras as follows Tow bar, centre console, front fog lamps, Tasman Blue, mud flaps, solar reflective windscreen, cold climate pack ln between ordering and delivery the price increased to £55,000. Now, the "base" Defender Commercial with steel wheels is no longer available and the cheapest model is the "S" at £57,000 without extras. So with the extras such as towbar etc it would be £60,000 Edited December 1 by Lightning Quote
Arjan Posted December 1 Posted December 1 "Montant total 97 087,62 €" This is a bare version (no tow bar etc.) 1 1 Quote
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