hurbie Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 hello all , does anybody know if you can use the waterpipe from the 300tdi (https://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/err6197-rigid-coolant-pipe-300-tdi.html) , or doesn't it fit behind/under the Turbo ? engine is a Defender spec so has the high turbo , the water pipe i need is ERR371 , this has a big curve in it to clear the turbo , but is no longer availeble. the one i have is very rusted inside and has a mounting tab broken off (seems a standard isseu with these) this is the one i need : https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-ERR371 greetings Gerben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 I don't think it will based upon the two pictures I found by doing a quick Google search. (Not my pictures, they are from engines for sale on eBay) The pictures clearly show the issue I think you'll run into Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 Hurbie - - Rimmer Bros in Lincolnshire are showing that ERR371 as available https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-ERR371 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 Or here https://www.euro4x4parts.com/en/parts/ref=KTU1019/heating-steel-pipe/oe=err371 But no mounting tabs on it. Have a look on ebay as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurbie Posted November 19 Author Share Posted November 19 5 minutes ago, western said: Or here https://www.euro4x4parts.com/en/parts/ref=KTU1019/heating-steel-pipe/oe=err371 But no mounting tabs on it. Have a look on ebay as well. yes , i found these but i have to e-mail them to find out if they really stock them (it say's "Equivalent to ERR371" , to me that means there not Land-Rover) if they do it might be a good alternative 9 minutes ago, western said: Hurbie - - Rimmer Bros in Lincolnshire are showing that ERR371 as available https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-ERR371 i mailed most of the usual suspect's , but nobody seems to have 1 in stock , and Landrover is out of them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 If you are struggling to find one, maybe you could make one from some copper pipe, using your old one as a template for the bends, held in place with clips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurbie Posted November 19 Author Share Posted November 19 2 minutes ago, monkie said: If you are struggling to find one, maybe you could make one from some copper pipe, using your old one as a template for the bends, held in place with clips? thought about that , but not sure i can get the bends close enough to fit (a "normal" pipe bender needs a fair bit of room between bends). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigi_H Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Why not use different paths? It doesn´t need to be exactly the same. The pipe can be straight at the rear end, or only slightly bent, if you adjust the hose. You can also use a well-laid steel braided hose over the entire length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 On 11/19/2023 at 8:55 PM, hurbie said: thought about that , but not sure i can get the bends close enough to fit (a "normal" pipe bender needs a fair bit of room between bends). Not sure you need to bend it if you can solder. 4x 90 degree bends and some straight pipe should work? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigi_H Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 This pipe is used for the short cooling circuit completing the circle between cylinderhead, waterpump and heater rad. This means, there is always water pumped independent from the thermostat. The heater rad will always become hot, thats why heating is not controlled hydraulicaly, but with a flap in the rad and fan box. It is a pipe, because it can use the hot path between cylinderhead and turbo. (200Tdi) If you do not use that path, a rubber hose can be used. It is just like all the other cooling hoses then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 11 hours ago, Sigi_H said: This pipe is used for the short cooling circuit completing the circle between cylinderhead, waterpump and heater rad. This means, there is always water pumped independent from the thermostat. The heater rad will always become hot, thats why heating is not controlled hydraulicaly, but with a flap in the rad and fan box. It is a pipe, because it can use the hot path between cylinderhead and turbo. (200Tdi) If you do not use that path, a rubber hose can be used. It is just like all the other cooling hoses then. Where else are you going to route it though? Theres not exactly another obvious/convenient route from the front connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 Have you tried Turner Engineering? They stock some pipes and hoses, surprisingly. You can use the spring type pipe benders, which just stop the pipe buckling. Then you can bend a copper pipe wherever you like. Alternatively, the soldered joint solution is a good one. If neither of those take your fancy, a length of hose replacing the the entire run would do fine, with a few pieces of extra hose slit and wrapped around its exterior to protect it from rubbing against head bolts. A few fixings at convenient points should work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigi_H Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 @reb78you can route along the rocker cover on the injection side or even a longer path along the wing. Not beautiful but possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurbie Posted November 23 Author Share Posted November 23 thanks for all the idea's , for now i keep my eyes open for a new/very good used one (i'm in no hurry as i have so much to do before i can run the engine) 14 hours ago, Snagger said: Have you tried Turner Engineering? They stock some pipes and hoses, surprisingly. i did , but it is some time ago , so will check with them more regular.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebus Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 Fella I've got one here you can have, one of the tags has lost its hole if that make sense but the tag is still attached to the pipe itself, a man of your caliber would easy fix it, I'll send a piccy in a while, give me 20 minutes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebus Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 Is that the bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebus Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 It is clean and no holes fella, a bit of a wire wheel and a washer tacked to that tag should do the job I reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurbie Posted November 24 Author Share Posted November 24 19 minutes ago, stevebus said: It is clean and no holes fella, a bit of a wire wheel and a washer tacked to that tag should do the job I reckon can you have a look inside , all i have seen so far are really crusty on the inside (to the point they have almost pinhole's ) the outside on most seems mostly very decent . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebus Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 With the greatest respect fella, I'm not asking anything for it, you can have it, pay the postage, there's no holes in it, I wouldn't of kept it if it had, I've put an airline down it and blocked both ends sufficiently enough to tell, I think any secondhand steel pipe is going to have rust down it being from a 30 year old engine, your shout fella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurbie Posted November 24 Author Share Posted November 24 @stevebus thanks for your offer and the time to dig it out and take the picture's , i'll pass on this one , because i don't think it's any better then the one i have at the moment . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebus Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 No worries fella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 How about bending up a new one in copper and using JB Weld to attach the brackets from the original pipe? You could solder on some olives at each end to make the clamping ridge (or use a compression fitting and then cut the nut off to remove it from between the squeezed-on olives). That should be more corrosion resistant and perhaps better resistant to scale that the steel pipes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 I think the above is 100% what you should do. It would also look great if you polished it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmmv Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Or Yorkshire fittings have swaged ends, you can just leave one end empty at each end of the pipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Would normal copper pipe not be a bit susceptible to work hardening and fracturing with vibration? Cupro-nickel might be a better bit, like for brake/fuel lines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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