FridgeFreezer Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Just happened across this story (since deleted from the site due to them being owned by a large dealership chain it would seem ): https://web.archive.org/web/20240705201106/https://www.theautopian.com/owners-are-furious-about-the-jeep-jl-wranglers-corrosion-issues/ Looks like Jeep are not immune to problems that old Land Rovers suffer from, although they have somehow managed to make aluminium corrode within a few years of leaving the factory so much more efficient than the 1-20+ it takes for Defenders to bubble through 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 I've heard a number of garagesĀ from the US on Lubetube say 'yeah, it's a Jeep thing', normally referring to them suffering from an abundance of parts that fall apart or stop working. Any place a particular vehicle is common the natives will have plenty to say about it's shortcomings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) Bit OT but how are you getting wayback machine to work? I just get errors trying to get on and 503 errors when I do get on and search, including via your link currently.Ā Edited July 9 by reb78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 10 Author Share Posted July 10 Original article is back up: Owners Are Furious About The Jeep JL Wrangler's Corrosion Issues - The Autopian Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Theyāre bloody awful cars to drive too. Got a free āupgradeā to one on a rental in California a few years ago. Never again - they drive just like a series landrover as you constantly fight the vague steering to try to keep the thing going in a straight line. Not much fun after a few thousand milesā¦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ed Poore Posted July 14 Popular Post Share Posted July 14 @Jon WhiteĀ it has its perks though. When I was out in Texas for the World Champs we ended up hiring a 4x4 to take some of us between Houston and San Antonio as with all the guns and ammo we all couldn't comfortably fit in the minibus thing we had. My friend who drove said he was grateful the steering was so carp because if it had been on par with his L322 Range Rover he had he'd have fallen asleep behind the wheel as he only had to make half a dozen turns the entire 3h30 drive and half of those were out of and into the parking spotsĀ . He said the steering was so carp he had to focus quite hard on staying in a straight line which kept him alert. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 15 Author Share Posted July 15 Oh it's just a little manufacturing variation apparently: Quote Model-year 2018 migration to an aluminum door design ā a weight-saving measure ā inadvertently coincided with, initially, occasional variation in the manufacturing process. https://www.theautopian.com/the-jeep-wrangler-corrosion-problem-is-worse-than-i-thought/ Maybe they need to start using aluminium instead of aluminum 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 I had that discussion with some American oil industry engineers. Ā They were insistent on their pronunciation until I got them to repeat the names of all those other elements - francium, strontium, plutonium, uranium, sodium, caesium, calcium, heliumā¦. They conceded, and one of them actually embraced the correction and swore heād carry the torch! š 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 hours ago, Snagger said: I had that discussion with some American oil industry engineers. Ā They were insistent on their pronunciation until I got them to repeat the names of all those other elements - francium, strontium, plutonium, uranium, sodium, caesium, calcium, heliumā¦. They conceded, and one of them actually embraced the correction and swore heād carry the torch! š Don't get them started on solder and salmon šĀ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 hours ago, mickeyw said: Don't get them started on solder and salmon šĀ Ah Iāve managed to miss the salmon oneā¦. But not the sodder Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Poore Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 The aluminium is rather ironic in that it was discovered by a Brit and named aluminum but then changed to aluminium later if I recall. The Americans misspelt it (aluminum) on some advertising and it was going to cost too much to change so it stuck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 Jeep is making other mistakes too like an exploding clutch plate: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/clutch-plate-explosion.96840/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 22 Author Share Posted July 22 Jeez I bet that wakes you up I suppose we can't expect the merkins to master this new fangled technology 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffield Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Is this sort of thing happening because engineers no longer have any control in companies? Money makers are in charge now, and they seem to care only about least cost and most profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 33 minutes ago, Sheffield said: Is this sort of thing happening because engineers no longer have any control in companies? Money makers are in charge now, and they seem to care only about least cost and most profit. It is in every industry. My view is that bean counters should be prohibited from running any organisation and be limited to the accounts department, with that a department subordinate to the main departments of the organisation. Ā They have shown that they canāt even be trusted to head up banks and accounting companies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, Sheffield said: Is this sort of thing happening because engineers no longer have any control in companies? Money makers are in charge now, and they seem to care only about least cost and most profit. I think that happens everywhere - from Boeing to Crowdstrike you can trace almost every massive f***up to someone not listening to the people who actually make the thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffield Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 I am not even sure those who make the thing fully know what they are doing. Years ago people did a five-year apprenticeship, then several years really learning. Now two years on a computor seems to be enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 7 hours ago, Sheffield said: I am not even sure those who make the thing fully know what they are doing. Years ago people did a five-year apprenticeship, then several years really learning. Now two years on a computor seems to be enough. Oh there's a definite scourge of engineers who can make anything in a computer but have never touched a screwdriver in real life - of course, in theory theory is the same as practice nature has a way of identifying all the stuff the computer doesn't account for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 6 hours ago, FridgeFreezer said: Oh there's a definite scourge of engineers who can make anything in a computer but have never touched a screwdriver in real life - of course, in theory theory is the same as practice nature has a way of identifying all the stuff the computer doesn't account for. My day job isĀ floodedĀ with these. Zero hands on experience and wonder why things donāt work. Even worse is the number of them that look down on the time-served bunch as some kind of lesser being.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 29 Author Share Posted July 29 13 hours ago, landroversforever said: My day job isĀ floodedĀ with these. Zero hands on experience and wonder why things donāt work. Even worse is the number of them that look down on the time-served bunch as some kind of lesser being.Ā I saw a thing some time ago where Ford were actually 3D printing a mockup section of engine bay with the part they'd designed so they could try to get their fingers in to actually replace the part, reading between the lines it feels like it was at least partly to counteract the symptom of "well it all fits inside the computer where no-one has fingers" presumably warranty repair costs/times were going up a bit too much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 If you need to replace the rear injector or a clutch on a disco 3, it is body off. I just cannot believe that with all those thousands of engineers working at JLR, there was not one person in a higher up position with a bit of common sense to say 'chaps can we just have a good look at this again before we release this to the public?' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 2 hours ago, Daan said: I just cannot believe that with all those thousands of engineers working at JLR, there was not one person in a higher up position with a bit of common sense to say 'chaps can we just have a good look at this again before we release this to the public?' I suspect that's a symptom of having to buy in engines & gearboxes from elsewhere and just make the best of things - look at the Grenadier with the footwell bump that everyone complains about. Also the D3 was at least designed to have the body off & on very quickly, it may suck for the DIYer but in garage terms everyone and his dog has a 2-post lift now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 The D3's body-off complaint is the same as the "VW service position" where the entire front end needs to be taken off for anything more than an oil change. DIYers think "oh no, I have to disassemble half the car". Meanwhile dealership techs are well trained at it, and can do it pretty quickly. If it's all designed to come apart easily, I can see it being much easier to work like that. And the designers can stuff more sh*t in a 5-pound bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 Toyota replacing 100,000 engines because someone didn't clean the swarf out properly https://www.theautopian.com/toyota-screwed-up-the-tundra-so-bad-its-literally-replacing-100000-engines/ And the aloominum corrosion spreads even further: https://www.theautopian.com/stellantiss-aluminum-corrosion-issues-might-go-well-beyond-just-jeep/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 On 7/28/2024 at 5:49 PM, FridgeFreezer said: Oh there's a definite scourge of engineers who can make anything in a computer but have never touched a screwdriver in real life - of course, in theory theory is the same as practice nature has a way of identifying all the stuff the computer doesn't account for. They can make anything except for reliable software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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