will_warne Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Its the same type of stuff as what Marlow sold as Dyneema / Spectra originally designed to replace in mast wire halyards / up hawls and down hawls etc on racing yatchts very light and has very little stretch In that case it sounds interesting..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petergg Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 In that case it sounds interesting..... I have spoken to Sue at southwest nets, as have quite a few others, and what they have is 3 strand which is not suitable for winching. It is also totaly different to what is on e-bay. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 If it is sailing rope - I would have one small reservation! Most sailing rope has a high friction outer layer making it good for capstan winches, friction cleats, pulling in by hand etc. 4x4 winch line has a low friction outer so it will slide over itself on a drum and suffer less damage sliding over something else. It may be that this difference is just spin by sellers of winch line - so it's worth a punt to find out. It would be marvelous if it turns out to be good. At that price, you could use it as bailer twine! Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Have to say i've seen people before using sailiing type ropes as cheap winch line. It snaps. End of story! You need the right stuff - as Simon says the marine stuff with the outher sheathing isnt strong enough. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I have spoken to Sue at southwest nets, as have quite a few others, and what they have is 3 strand which is not suitable for winching. It is also totaly different to what is on e-bay.Peter Maybe what southwestnets have in is only 3 strand but looking at what other items that chap is selling on ebay I would guess that the winch line he's selling comes from a net/fishing/boating supplier. If it is sailing rope - I would have one small reservation!Most sailing rope has a high friction outer layer making it good for capstan winches, friction cleats, pulling in by hand etc. 4x4 winch line has a low friction outer so it will slide over itself on a drum and suffer less damage sliding over something else. It may be that this difference is just spin by sellers of winch line - so it's worth a punt to find out. It would be marvelous if it turns out to be good. At that price, you could use it as bailer twine! Si I thought 'plasma' winch line was a high performance yachting/sailing rope anyway, which is used to replace cable or the older style kernmantle (inner with outer sheath) type rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Makes you wonder why there is such a massive difference in cost doesn't it, given that it is presumably all made of more or less the same stuff One of the winch lines (is it the Amsteel Blue? I can't remember) is advertised as being originally developed for the marine industry so it must be quite similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJL Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Maybe what southwestnets have in is only 3 strand but looking at what other items that chap is selling on ebay I would guess that the winch line he's selling comes from a net/fishing/boating supplier.I thought 'plasma' winch line was a high performance yachting/sailing rope anyway, which is used to replace cable or the older style kernmantle (inner with outer sheath) type rope. Most ropes like this were originally designed for the marine industry when i worked as a delivery skipper the racing yatcts had two types of high performance ropes spectra and dyneema the real difference between the two is the abrasive 'coloured' sheathing which protects the inner core (usually white) made from 'spun' polymide this breaks down with prolonged UV exposure usually the sheathing is stripped back where it has to be spliced or connected to anything on bigger boats its often spliced to wire rope in areas like mast runners where high abbraision is likely. Splicing rope to wire cable is a real artform! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Wightman Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 James, I think you’ll find the rope you have bought is a three strand synthetic rope with a breaking strain of 3 tonne, not suitable for winch use, sorry! The rope on eBay is Eurosteel-12, a different rope entirely, now if you can find where the guy on eBay is getting it from you may be on to a winner. I would love to be proved wrong and if so I will be on the line to Southwest Nets immediately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 a quick look at the US market will show you the best prices for synthetic winch line. The majority of it is made there and it is the biggest market by a long margin. You don't so many supplying 3/8 line for less than 1 pound a foot. These constant winch lines bargains always seem to turn out to be unsuitable for winching. As I'm sure Nick, roguevogue will say, even getting the 'correct' stuff at wholesale prices doesn't give you the margins to sell it for less than 1 pound per foot. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguevogue Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Come on then, your rope must have arrived by now, is it worth me buying all they have or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 in a word..... NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Have you seen it , Tony, do tell !!!! Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJL Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 in a word.....NO After further discussion its not the same as ebay so order was canceled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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