TheBeastie Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Decided the time has come for The Beastie to grow a snorkel but whilst finding lots of info I am now more confused than ever. Some say the 200tdi fittings are not as good as the 300tdi fittings so best to fit 300tdi (on driver's side) and then run pipe across to the airbox. Others suggest getting best possible brand but reading crits this does not necessarily guarantee happiness. It is not that I plan doing loads of wading, more that I want to have optimal resilience. It is probably also worth saying that the idea of doing machine work is almost certainly beyond me otherwise Southdown through the top of the wing does look very good option. I am not averse to the concept of DIY but strikes me a lot potentially at risk if you think it is watertight but isnt! Any suggestions would be really useful as I have been contemplating this for ages! Thanks and best wishes Malcolm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Hello, I've never heard of a quality issue between a 200 and a 300, but you can get the same type snorkles fitting up for eaither side. What you need to look for is a more "snorkle" type kit as opposed to a "raised air intake" - off the sheft kits that I have seen all have been a bit damp squid, you will always have to do a bit of home modification to make an air intake fully sealed for proper wadeing, i think there is a good link in the tech archive of someone who has written a guide on how to make your snorkle properly watertight, i.e. you should be able to stall your engine by blocking it off. At the end of the day its down to what sealand compound you use and how carefully you fit it. some ABS plastic snorkles are I think more designed to be raised intakes (for dust etc) so they are not so easy to get a proper water tight seal to the wing etc. the type that pop through the wing (aka southdown stylee) are much more designed for wadeing thus cut out all the wing to wing seals etc... Mav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chadler Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I think that the quality issue to which you refer is the difference in sealing style between the 200tdi and 300tdi Safari Snorkel. On the 200tdi variant the snorkel merely seals to the wing of the defender on the outside and relies on the factory air piping moulding that goes to the air filter. This is less than ideal in that it is impossible to ensure that this set up with all it's joint will not leak, and even the smallest bash to the wing can break the seal to the snorkel. On the 300tdi variant, they designed the snorkel to have a moulded circular internal diameter that pokes through the wing vent hole, so that a custom pipe can be securely jubilee clipped onto it and routed directly to the air filter. This is possible due to the increased space available on the RHS underwing of the 300tdi, on the 200 the heater installation precludes this. I have also looked at possible gold-standard solutions to fitting a water-tight snorkel to the 200tdi, and the best bet to my eye looks to be a southdown snorkel with a single pipe that connects from it to the (sealed up) air filter canister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I've got a millitary winterised snorkle on my 110. Fits along the wing and passes through the heater inlet which is moved to the front of the wing. No problem to seal it, no problem hitting it with stuff so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I would do what I have on mine.... I have a 300tdi Safari snorkel on a 200tdi engine, It is just then piped over to the air box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fandrover Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Sorry to jump in on someone else's thread but.... Ross, Ive seen you talk about your snorkel set up on quite a few threads, do you have any pics of it? (Ive looked through your thread and cant see any of inside the engine bay) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I'm afraid I don't. But I will endevour to describe it! My truck is a bit of a mish-mash under the bonnet... no idea where some things are on a standard truck, as mine has a disco 200 in it. Its a safari, so has the little pipe stub from which the snorkel is piped to the airbox which is situated parallel to the engine on the LH side (looking from the front). From there it is piped round the front of the engine IIRC to the turbo. I will try and get a picture tomorrow if the rain behaves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fandrover Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Cheers Ross, Mish mash?... try a Mazda engine haha Thanks for the piccy in advance, Ive got a safari 300tdi snorkel with the Mazda air intake on Right hand side similar to yours, so same issues! Sorry again Malcom for the thread hijack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Two-Jacks Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Hi, I don't know if this helps but this is what I did with my 200tdi but I had a wing from a 2.25 (I think) so no holes for pipe work. J http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=68064&hl=&fromsearch=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 here you are Fandrover: Should give you a good idea for routing the pipe . My plan sometime is a second snorkel for the heater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fandrover Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Thanks Ross I see you braved the rain for me! Similar to how Im going to have too situate mine I think but I have a ruddy big viscous fan at the front of my engine to avoid! Have you fixed the filter housing in place or just left it unsupported? Has anyone got any recommendations as to which filter housing to use for avoiding water ingress? Mine is battered, loose fitting, and would let small furry mammals in let alone water so needs replacing I think! Thanks again Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 I was out setting up for a 'picnic' on the green in a friends village and remembered so took one! It is supported by a small (inadequate) bracket that is bolted onto the clutch assembly. I just put a bead of silicone around the cap before reinstating it after a filter change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fandrover Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Well in between rain showers I spent a couple of hours fitting the snorkel today Not a bad effort me thinks and as Ross said it was pretty straight forward to pipe from the left to the right side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeastie Posted June 4, 2012 Author Share Posted June 4, 2012 OK, so routing pipe over from O/S looks OK. Presumably you had to create your own "entry" on the driver's wing. Did you just cut out a round section of the wing to take the pipe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fandrover Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Can't speak for Ross's but as mine was a V8 petrol prior to conversion it already had the entry on the O/S. However if you do splash out on the genuine Safari snorkel then the kit comes with a template to aid in the cutting and drilling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Can't speak for Ross's but as mine was a V8 petrol prior to conversion it already had the entry on the O/S. However if you do splash out on the genuine Safari snorkel then the kit comes with a template to aid in the cutting and drilling your RH wing side panel can't be the original panel, petrol engined 90/110 didn't have sude air intakes only the Turbo charged diesel have it, including TD,Tdi,Td5 & Tdci. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4x4madness Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Well in between rain showers I spent a couple of hours fitting the snorkel today Not a bad effort me thinks and as Ross said it was pretty straight forward to pipe from the left to the right side. Hi, i'm going to be doing this to my defender soon. just writting up a list of what i need. where did you buy that flexi hose from? (the really long one from the snorkel to the air box) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam001 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Good shot of my set-up 200tdi Discovery Engine 300tdi Turbo and Manifold 2.5TD Airbox - Plumbed around the back to the turbo 300Tdi Safari Snorkle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damanic Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Good shot of my set-up 200tdi Discovery Engine 300tdi Turbo and Manifold 2.5TD Airbox - Plumbed around the back to the turbo 300Tdi Safari Snorkle Oooo nice. How did you get your dipstick pointing forward? I tried to do this on my disco 200tdi but it doesnt look possible with all the bends? Original dipstick or did you put some new bends into it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam001 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Just messed about with it, applied some generous heat to the tube off the car so it didn't crack then just bent it to suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Adam when I did mine I changed to a 300tdi dipstick. Works Just fine. Jad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam001 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Yeah I did buy a 300tdi dipstick and tube, tried all sorts of combinations but it failed miserably...think it was a issue with the adapter at the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Adapter? I pushed mine straight into the hole in the block till it wont go any further. Filled it with the measured maximum amount of oil and it was spot on max At least thats how I remember it..... Jad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 We need a picture Jad Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam001 Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 Yeah mine was different, the bottom didn't seem right, had no form of seal, did it a while ago so can't remember exactly why it didn't work...maybe I got sent the wrong part or something. Current set-up works so I'll just keep with it for now...till something breaks then I'll give it another whirl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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