discomikey Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 so i will be buying the bits to rebuild my 200Tdi in the next week or 2. and ive been looking at a couple of places for parts. now i only want to do this once, so i will only be going for genuine/ known good brands so whats the best website to get bits from that wont come in a blue box. i took a look at turner engineering and they seem to give a choice such as Elring gaskets (ive heard these are good) and kolben schmidt rings (OEM) and they generally seem to give good descriptions as to what you will be getting, although not, it seems, for the main and big end shells. looking at their other descriptions i guess they wont send me blue box, although i could be wrong anyone had any experience from them? ive also been pricing up on brit-car, and they seem to be a little more expensive for the same stuff. also for 200 engine parts, its unclear what manufactured parts you will get, their normal system seems to be vague for 200 engine parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 My 200Tdi is currently sat at Wards Engineering in Rugby. I know Richard wont sell you junk, might be worth giving him a call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 so i will be buying the bits to rebuild my 200Tdi in the next week or 2. and ive been looking at a couple of places for parts. now i only want to do this once, so i will only be going for genuine/ known good brands so whats the best website to get bits from that wont come in a blue box. i took a look at turner engineering and they seem to give a choice such as Elring gaskets (ive heard these are good) and kolben schmidt rings (OEM) and they generally seem to give good descriptions as to what you will be getting, although not, it seems, for the main and big end shells. looking at their other descriptions i guess they wont send me blue box, although i could be wrong anyone had any experience from them? ive also been pricing up on brit-car, and they seem to be a little more expensive for the same stuff. also for 200 engine parts, its unclear what manufactured parts you will get, their normal system seems to be vague for 200 engine parts. Out of curiosity what is the reason for the rebuild? Age/mileage or failure? How much of a rebuild are we talking? I'm just being nosey.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 ive also been pricing up on brit-car, and they seem to be a little more expensive for the same stuff. also for 200 engine parts, its unclear what manufactured parts you will get, their normal system seems to be vague for 200 engine parts. They have an on-line text chat facility, I suggest you ask them a few questions. I found this service very useful indeed. Julian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 Out of curiosity what is the reason for the rebuild? Age/mileage or failure? How much of a rebuild are we talking? I'm just being nosey.... the rebuild is for peace of mind more than anything, its done around 180k now, and although well looked after (genuine filters, almost new cambelt before i replaced it again and regular servicing) i have seen the bottom end bearings out of a 160k engine and they, while not massively worn, were bad enough to make me think what mine were like, also over the last couple of weeks it has not burnt oil as such but at a high tickover, there is a faint occasional oil smoke wisp from the exhaust. rebuild extensivity will be bottom end bearings, rings, main bearings, headgasket, valve stem seals, bore hone and a good clean/service so not a full rebuild but a good "seeing to". also i think that the towing it does, and long periods of high speed cruising cant be good for the bottom end, AND... it would benefit to have a nicely rebuilt bottom end, and run in before i go ahead and possibly stick a VNT on it. They have an on-line text chat facility, I suggest you ask them a few questions. I found this service very useful indeed. Julian. thanks julian, will look into that. My 200Tdi is currently sat at Wards Engineering in Rugby. I know Richard wont sell you junk, might be worth giving him a call. and again thanks vulcan, i will also look into that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Be nice to see some pics as she comes apart to see what the wear is like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 yes i will fully document (if i remeber to take pictures haha) unsure wether i will do it before i return to uni, (although i need it) or when im back there. which leaves me 3 options do it in the workshop on the ramp quick get a lift to uni then get a lift back to do it one weekend after uni starts and blast it out OR do it on the drive at my student house.. which isnt really an option when i have a ramp at home. either way it will be done sooner rather than later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Factor in the likelihood of needing a part you didn't think you would, whether that be from error or unexpected worn out part. Of course this mystery part will require mail order ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 paddocks or DLS is within tractor transport distance, so aslong as i find out before they close (i.e. before 5, or 12 on saturday) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Rest assured, Turner Eng will not sell any substandard parts. They sell the same parts they use in their own engine builds, for which they have an excellent reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 thanks for that info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 Rest assured, Turner Eng will not sell any substandard parts. They sell the same parts they use in their own engine builds, for which they have an excellent reputation. forgot to mention, engine will stay in the land rover during the "seeing to" well... most of it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris113 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I bought a large amount of parts from turners recently for a TD5, they were very helpful on the phone and nothing came in a blue box. I will be using them again when I come to rebuild my 300tdi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Yep Turners are great. They also do genuine oil filters for a fiver a go, very useful when you're as local to them as I am! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 forgot to mention, engine will stay in the land rover during the "seeing to" well... most of it... the engines coming out or your not replacing the bottom end. I had the bad news of needing a rebore this afternoon.. Not through wear but because of some previous mug with a diy honing set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4444244 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 another vote for turners, very good service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02jcole Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Turners sell "King" bearings IIRC. http://www.kingbearings.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted August 30, 2012 Author Share Posted August 30, 2012 the engines coming out or your not replacing the bottom end. I had the bad news of needing a rebore this afternoon.. Not through wear but because of some previous mug with a diy honing set. ive done it before, i will do it again. same engine type. you just need to push the main shells around the crank journals with the crank dropped down a few mm. usually this requires turning said crank and you have to make sure that you arent pushing the locking tabby bit round as that could damage something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 ive done it before, i will do it again. same engine type. you just need to push the main shells around the crank journals with the crank dropped down a few mm. usually this requires turning said crank and you have to make sure that you arent pushing the locking tabby bit round as that could damage something. And how do you get around the ladder frame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted August 31, 2012 Author Share Posted August 31, 2012 the bolts which are normally counterbored and then hidden behind the bellhousing on a normal conversion are just normal bolts which go through the bellhousing flange just like all other engine-bellhousing stud/bolts. which means i dont need to split the engine and box to get at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 on 200tdi's the 5 ladder frame bolts are at the bellhousing lower face & to get access engine must be split from gearbox, just checked my workshop manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 on 200tdi's the 5 ladder frame bolts are at the bellhousing lower face & to get access engine must be split from gearbox, just checked my workshop manual. Thats correct Ralph, just how i had to dismantle mine a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted September 1, 2012 Author Share Posted September 1, 2012 if you mean flywheel housing to ladder frame bolts, mine are not hidden behind the bottom face of the bellhousing, as they go through the bellhousing flange just like the other bellhousing to flywheel housing bolts. when i did my conversion i thought that i may need to do some work on the engine, and carefully marked and drilled the bellhousing in order to fit these ladder frame bolts through it, just like discovery fitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted September 1, 2012 Author Share Posted September 1, 2012 parts bought from Turner Engineering at a decent sum of £192.22 which isnt too bad. Edit, forgot the valve stem seals, so i will be getting genuine ones from DLS the day i intend to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 You did the sensible thing then like me, and ignored GlenCoynes stupid advice to counterbore the holes in the flywheel housing, meaning you have no choice to remove engine or gearbox when you need to do bottom end work. I recently enquired about and bought a disco flywheel housing so I could do the same to my series bellhousing by drilling through and a lot of folks couldn't understand what I was trying to do....I meant to post the pictures and never got around to it...I'll dig them out later now you've reminded me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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