miketomcat Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Yes I have googled and so far I have a non conclusive list. So I'm trying to figure where to put my t-box (ibex 118" wheelbase) with the best chance of using standard props. On to what I need is some measurements from flange face to flange face with the truck on it's wheels preferably at standard hight but up to a 2" lift is fine. Now I'm quite happy for the measurement to be a quick throw a tape alongside it job but can we keep to metric, front and rear of any coil sprung land rover up to and including td5 and possibly p38 (if a grown up can confirm the flanges are the same). I have early td 90/110 and 200tdi disco (i believe all disco and range rovers have the same front/rear lengths except LSE and borgwarner but again confirmation would be good). Thanks in advance for any contributions I will turn this into a list for the tech section. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Freak Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Not under the truck for a week Mike but will send some measurements of standard td5 as soon as I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I'll measure my '89 110 for you in morning too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve200TDi Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Hi Mike, I have measured the fleet and the dimensions are as follows: Defender 200TDi 90, standard height springs, standard arms Front 667mm Rear 667mm Defender TD5 90, some sort of lift, maybe 2 inch, X arms Front 627mm Rear 712mm Range Rover classis 3.9EFi, I believe they are standard springs, but not sure Front 688mm Rear 885mm Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Thanks Steve that's great just checked some numbers yours were the same as I had for a TD 90 to the mm but I had a figure of 685mm for the front so that's one confirmed. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 Steve is the range rover fitted with a Borg warner as the front prop is longer than I expected. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve200TDi Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Oh yeah, sorry forgot the drivetrain on that one. It's a 3.9 v8 with 4 speed auto and borg warner tranferbox, soon to have Megasquirt! What it actually is, is a range rover chassis with standard running gear with a defender body on top! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 Cool the rear prop is the same length as an lt230 range rover/disco. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Lengths I have are: Defender Td/200tdi: 90 front 667 rear 667, 110 front 667 rear 1055 300tdi: none Td5: 90 front 627 rear 712, 110 none Tdci: 90 front 700 rear 650, 110 none V8: none All engines: 130 none Disco 1 200tdi: front 637 rear 887 (i believe all discos are the same possible exception of td5 auto need confirmation) Range rover V8 Borg warner: front 688 rear 885 VM: none LSE: none P38: none Please anyone that can use a tape measure and can spare 5mins It would be good to have a definitive list for everyone to see. Thanks mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Defender 300tdi and TD5's should be the same. Your D1 Front prop is the same part as a defender 300/td5 front prop. Theres a big list here showing which shafts are shared between which models, they are closed lengths, hence are a little lower than your measurements: http://www.devon4x4.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=10080&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Rear prop on some td5 110 will be different as at some point not sure what age they changed to rover rear axle. My biggest problem is I have no set position for the t-box so if I want to use standard props I need a working length Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I guess so, i just meant to help you fill in your table you could use that chart and link up the common shafts. Also, you should be able to see a pattern form between installed length and closed length, and from that be able to figure out roughly what closed length you want for a given working length! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Mike, my apologies, due to weather conditions & no dry parking I've not been able to measure my props for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 There is a bit of a pattern but it seems to be non consistent also the Devon link lists a 200tdi 90 as having different lengths front and rear when they appear to be the same length in use. I know there's a phase issue but that's just pull the spline section and clock it, except tdci that uses balls not splines on the front at least. All I'm trying to do is build a list that is all directly comparable as the list I have is meaningless when some measurements are working, open or closed. I didn't think I'd get much help if I asked for closed lengths mind the weather hasn't helped much either. Thanks mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Did your googling extend to the technical archive? Some bloke here with a list of lengths: http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=5885 Just beware the oddities with different sized UJ's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Yes fridge seen that but again the measurements are all taken in different ways it was that thread that lead to this one. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biohazard Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Can't tell you measurements but for an RRC with BorgWarner the front prop is about 2"/50mm ish longer than one for the same vehicle with LT230. Guess how I found out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Freak Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Mike..... Td5 90 - standard suspension.... Front 622mm Rear 709mm I didn't do the Rangie Classic V8 as you appear to have one of those.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 finally i have a fairly good list for coil sprung land rovers. All measurement are approx standard working length flange to flange: defender4 cyl/200tdi: 90 front 667 rear 667 110 rear 1055 130 rear 1480300tdi/ td5 upto 02: 90 front 627 rear 712 110 rear 1080 130 rear 1520post 02 td5 rover rear axle: 90 front 627 rear 712 110 rear 1170 130 rear 1600V8: 90 front 627 rear 712 110 rear 1080 130 rear 1520 tdci: 90 front 700(bearing slip joint phasing can't be changed) rear 650 110 rear 1110 130 rear 1540 discovery I/II all: front 637(td5 double carden) rear 887 range rover classic V8 borg warner t-box: front 688 rear 885 LSE: front 637 rear 1080 V8/VM/200/300tdi: front 637 rear 887 hope this helps others if any are incorrect let me know. mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Doesn't seem quite right, the RRC 300TDi with BW box has a different (front?) length from the D1 300TDi with LT230. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 Borg warner t-box is shorter than a lt230. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 On 1/4/2014 at 1:49 PM, elbekko said: Doesn't seem quite right, the RRC 300TDi with BW box has a different (front?) length from the D1 300TDi with LT230. Old thread, but I was looking up the differences for a project. As far as I know, all late RRCs had BW units. Â Certainly the case for 300Tdi, but I thought 200s and contemporary V8s had them. Â RangeRoverClassic.com claims the BW was fitted even to VM powered cars from Oct 89 onwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Yup, that's my understanding, but the Disco made on the same chassis and very similar body held on to the LT230... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Yep, BW was reserved strictly for the RR, first the Classic and then the P38A (in mirror image form). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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