Anderzander Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I’ve booked the chassis to go inro paint at the end of next week and suddenly thought - I should weld some brackets on first so I can fit lap belts... The UK law for children over 3 in classic cars with seat belts are that they can only travel in the back, and where there are no seats in the back - they can’t travel. So I’d like to fit some lap belts. the thinking is that if I put a couple of brackets on the crossmember that sits along the back edge of the seat box - then I can bolt a frame to it that puts a piece of flat bar along the back edge of the seat box to bolt the lapbelts too. Here’s a picture and drawing that shows the crossmember: With not having much time though I first thought of two bit so of angle with a pair of M10 size holes in them, welded vertically on the front face. Then I wondered if there was any ready made brackets I could buy and repurpose - from someone like YRM. I’d welcome anyone’s input and suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Hmmm, I feel I must point out that lap belts are horrible things, and I wouldn't use anything other than a lap/sash, either static or inertia. Also, I don't understand where you want to add the belts - in the front or the back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Side-facing seats are also out for kids needing car seats... in case that was what you were considering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 That was my next question! Thank God they're not allowed there. You should see what people get up to here when putting kids in the backs of Troopies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Hmmm, nice row of sheds! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaklander Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Yes I think they have to sit in proper child seats nowadays till they are quite old. Just starting down that road with our grandkids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Lap belts are not brilliant and certainly not up to Euro-NCAP type laws but they're better than nothing in an old Landy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmayco68 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I know on the defender 110 sw they used a frame bolted into the rear tub , I removed mine when I rebuilt her and I think they used one on the 90’s but smaller as someone was after one in the wanted section on another forum , can take a photo of it if you want so you can see what I mean ? But will be tomorrow now as I’m on my way to work shortly. cheers Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 just drill some holes, so you can bolt brackets on of whatever shape you want at a later date? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Wouldn't you be better securing them to the seat mounting points rather than the chassis? Is there not movement between body and chassis due to body mounts? Or is this just panels bolted directly to the chassis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Series/Defender body is bolted to the chassis, seat-belt mounts on the back of the seat box are bolted through to brackets on the chassis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 8 hours ago, Davo said: Hmmm, I feel I must point out that lap belts are horrible things, and I wouldn't use anything other than a lap/sash, either static or inertia. Also, I don't understand where you want to add the belts - in the front or the back? I wanted to put them in the front ... 8 hours ago, Bowie69 said: Side-facing seats are also out for kids needing car seats... in case that was what you were considering. .....I won’t use side facing. 8 hours ago, Bowie69 said: Hmmm, nice row of sheds! I own one and rent two ! £69 a year 👍🏻 5 hours ago, FridgeFreezer said: Lap belts are not brilliant and certainly not up to Euro-NCAP type laws but they're better than nothing in an old Landy. That’s exactly where I am at with it - plus to fit a 3 point belt I’d need a roll bar and I’d still need to have some tie in to the chassis to secure two of the three belt points. 5 hours ago, Maverik said: just drill some holes, so you can bolt brackets on of whatever shape you want at a later date? I’ll think on that. The main down side is if I am best mounting off the top it wouldn’t be an easy ask to drill out the depth of the crossmember and put 4 crush tubes in it, besides being deep it has a seem along the bottom edge and the curves for the PTO hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 I meant to start my reply by saying ‘Thank you everyone for replying and making suggestions’ - Thank you! Her is a link to what someone did on an 86”. http://www.teeafit.co.uk/seatbelts/ they did them as clamps and it looks like the bolted one end of the belt directly to the top of their clamp. I’d want to bolt both ends of each of the 3 belts to a bar that sits under the whole thing. i haven’t had chance to check whether the crossmember aligns the same on an 80” as it does here on an 80” Maybe the solution to this is a simple folded bracket like the one that sits under a spring plate, that I can bolt a small frame to once it’s in.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 I’m thinking something like this welded to the top of the crossmember: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzar Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 On the 109 there is a steel flat strap bolted to the chassis, with the other end bolted to the seat buckle. Lightweight chassis have serious brackets to do the same role. richards chassis web page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 Right - I think I’ve figured the best option out. Thanks for everyone’s input - probably quite a difficult question to rely to. i had a lie down under a friend’s 80” - and the link I posted above is totally different. The 86” has the extra length in the tub and that gives space above the cross member and the flat section behind the seatbox lids above it .... (where I was planning on putting them). However, on an 80” the crossmember is flush with tub - so nothing can bolt on top. Also the seat box lid hinges bolt onto the front face of the tub - so no flat space there either. Whis means I’ll need to bolt onto the front of the crossmember - and so Mav’s Suggestion is the best option (Thank you!) I will put 2 pairs of holes through that cross member that line up with the gap between the seat bases. Then when it’s together I can run a bracket up from them and pick it up somehow. I’ll put pictures up in my 80” thread when I can to show how it’s being done. thanks again folks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Just a thought - do you have any specialists nearby who do this sort of thing? People have put kid seats into all sorts of things and you might find a company which has built up some expertise in the area. It never occurred to me until I needed some anchor points for the RRC, (the things you learn when you have kids!), and it was amazing to see what the owners of other marques had done in the same situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 That never even occurred to me - what do you search for to find then? What would they call themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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