Bowie69 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, muddy said: Work out your tunnel and under bonnet height, Yeah or you may have to remove part of the top of the gearbox or not be able to get an air filter to fit 2 hours ago, Stellaghost said: I need to set a loaded height, putting the engine and box in and resting front and rear winches on will get me somewhere near, at this point I can trial fit my shocks and tack stuff into position Hmm, I would probably stick the chassis with engine/gearbox on the axles without bump stops, and then see where your shocks could possibly go -you have quite long ones, yes? You may need to get a bit creative with positioning to ensure they don't bottom out. What happens when they droop out can then be tested with your forklift/engine crane after tacking in place. For all this you will need to tack your main one-link mount up at your best guess position, which I think is somewhat dictated by your gearbox position, you said? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 Next question, how the hell do you compress these shocks.... Never had any before I couldn't compress by hand Going to have to dig out the old bullworker...... Regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Stellaghost said: Next question, how the hell do you compress these shocks.... Never had any before I couldn't compress by hand Going to have to dig out the old bullworker...... Regards Stephen Spanish windlass. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous doug Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Stellaghost said: Next question, how the hell do you compress these shocks.... Never had any before I couldn't compress by hand Going to have to dig out the old bullworker...... Regards Stephen Violence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, dangerous doug said: Violence? Not quite got there yet.... Extreme swearing has been exhausted..... Regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Ratchet strap over them as a loop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous doug Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Fit the bottom, lift the chassis to full articulation, pin the top and repeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Poore Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 17 hours ago, Stellaghost said: Next question, how the hell do you compress these shocks.... Never had any before I couldn't compress by hand Going to have to dig out the old bullworker...... Regards Stephen I'd be questioning why you can't compress them... If I was being a brute then either JCB bucket - back actor for finesse or front loader for brute strength. After all that'll put about 6t downforce onto it . If I was going to be a sensible brute then shove it in the hydraulic press (that only does about 80 tonnes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 47 minutes ago, Ed Poore said: If I was being a brute . Ahhh well... I try to have a wee bit of finesse.. You on the other hand....Will always be a brute......lol Regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Have you tried leaning on them? Admittedly I've not yet tried that with mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, landroversforever said: Have you tried leaning on them? Admittedly I've not yet tried that with mine. I have yes, I think it's a lot to do with overcoming gas pressure regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FridgeFreezer Posted July 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2022 On 7/19/2022 at 12:51 PM, landroversforever said: Worst case for the arms in relation to clearance of the engine and chassis will be without springs, and the chassis dropped right down onto the bump stops. You need to check *without* bump-stops, a lump of rubber is no match for a mog axle that's travelling upwards at any sort of rate. Jez preached designing as if the bump-stop isn't there and it's proved to hold true. Even on standard motors the axle can happily smack the stops flat - ask anyone with an engine swap who's ever had the axle smack the oil filter even though it's above bump-stop height Also worth checking full twist both ways too. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous doug Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, FridgeFreezer said: You need to check *without* bump-stops, a lump of rubber is no match for a mog axle that's travelling upwards at any sort of rate. Jez preached designing as if the bump-stop isn't there and it's proved to hold true. Even on standard motors the axle can happily smack the stops flat - ask anyone with an engine swap who's ever had the axle smack the oil filter even though it's above bump-stop height Also worth checking full twist both ways too. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, FridgeFreezer said: You need to check *without* bump-stops, a lump of rubber is no match for a mog axle that's travelling upwards at any sort of rate. Jez preached designing as if the bump-stop isn't there and it's proved to hold true. Even on standard motors the axle can happily smack the stops flat - ask anyone with an engine swap who's ever had the axle smack the oil filter even though it's above bump-stop height Also worth checking full twist both ways too. Oh for sure! Typo on my behalf when rattling a post out quickly on my phone! 'bump stop pads' off the end! Sorry Stephen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 So chassis on the axles and now having a nightmare trying to get front arms the right shape and negotiating the chassis rails I'm open to suggestions because at the moment straight radius Arms are looking a lot more packageable Also I take it with a three link front suspension set up you still use pan hard rod Where I'm at Some rear crossmember modifications to get chassis onto axles a bit close some cutting done Multiple bending Regards Stephen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 I think you are going 1 link rather than 3 link? Panhard rod needed for both. I would just come straight off the arm stubs at 45 degrees inwards and then let some halved steam pipe into the lower inner chassis sides as a scallop/pocket for the arm to sneak into on bump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 These are the best pictures I can offer of a one link setup I am/was building, this was just over 7 years ago and I unfortunately still cannot tell you if it works or not, you can't rush these things 🥸 It uses a standard rear trailing arm mount as the bush with I don't think would be unto the mog axles but you get the idea. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 25 minutes ago, muddy said: These are the best pictures I can offer of a one link setup I am/was building, this was just over 7 years ago and I unfortunately still cannot tell you if it works or not, you can't rush these things 🥸 It uses a standard rear trailing arm mount as the bush with I don't think would be unto the mog axles but you get the idea. You've given me food for thought... Thank you regards Stephen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 The problem with anything other than straight tube is that is wants to bend in compression. a 3 link seems a stronger solution, if you keep the links straight. Sorry if that messes with your plans. Daan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Daan said: Sorry if that messes with your plans. Plans, what plans..... Making things up as I go........Most of the time You can probably tell.... But I will get there lol Regards Stephen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous doug Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 There usedto be a uk challenge truck with front and rear 1 links made from the standard hockey sticks, the bend started a few inches from bush(axle end) and it seemed to work well and had loads of clearance. I’ve also made one for a euro trial “spider” which was literally some box section welded to the axle case meeting at the other end with a big boy rose joint. It was all tied together with a skid plate. It worked but the car was well under 1000kg and would need more for anything heavier. there was a time I was going to do this on mine but never had the time, so for a quick easy solution I fitted voided poly bushes….they worked “ok” but lasted about 3 trips out. I’ve since fitted genuine bushes with an 8mm hole drilled in them and I’m really happy with the result theres also this death trap to draw a small ammount of inspiration from you could also put an end to the experts claims of knowing someone who cut the front half of a radius arm off to allow more flex. I know so many people who have claimed to see it but somehow it’s missed me every time…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 46 minutes ago, dangerous doug said: theres also this death trap to draw a small ammount of inspiration from Oh dear lord, what did I just see? 🤮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous doug Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 5 hours ago, FridgeFreezer said: Oh dear lord, what did I just see? 🤮 It does actually get worse….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous doug Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 only went and found it! Must warn you though, you’re going to have a sharp reminder of how bad cameras were 16 years ago😂 https://forums.lr4x4.com/topic/10476-rebuilding-the-heap/#comments 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Superior engineering in Australia do/ did a hinged radius arm, and do a variant of it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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