JeffR Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-INCH-4LED-ROUND-HEADLIGHTS-E9-DOT-HI-LO-BEAM-HEADLAMP-FOR-LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER/263703770310?hash=item3d65f834c6:g:PjUAAOSwDktbA4-C:rk:48:pf:0 Need some new headlamps so found these, worth the risk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Not too sure..... No mentioning of LHD or RHD versions Your MOT man may not like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffR Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 Just noticed the lack of red/lhd! MOT man pretty cool dude , but that would upset him a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 It does say e marked so should be ok with mot man. The American headlight pattern is flat and doesn't have a kick up one side therefore they are ok for left or right hand drive, they are also legal over here. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Good - because on the Continent they're not without a note on the logbook stating the "flat pattern" is allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffR Posted March 3, 2019 Author Share Posted March 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, miketomcat said: It does say e marked so should be ok with mot man. The American headlight pattern is flat and doesn't have a kick up one side therefore they are ok for left or right hand drive, they are also legal over here. Mike You learn something new every day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Almost certainly not legal. A light can’t be both DOT (USA) and E (EU) marked. Passing the MOT doesn’t make them legal either I’m afraid. The only legal LED headlights that I am aware of are the proper branded ones such as JW Speaker, Trucklite etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 The flat pattern (British American) is legal here as long as it's e marked. I don't know the legality of having both a dot and e mark however bfg tyres certainly have both. Whether these particular lights are legal or not I don't know and there is a grey area around if they need self levelling or not, hid do but if I remember correctly if they are under a certain lumen led don't. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I am happy to be proven wrong, however I would bet that the ‘E’ markings on those ebay China specials are completely worthless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I was told there is a way of self e marking but not sure. I think it's self certificating that your product complies with the rules but it is a different e mark I believe. As retro says whether these a actually legal or not I don't know. Personal I'm happy with my H4's and a new set make a world of difference over old ones. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zardos Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 https://www.hella.com/techworld/uk/Technical/Automotive-lighting/Headlights-219/ Suggests that they should have a lot more ECE numbers And E9 is approved in Spain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zardos Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Also https://www.qeedon.com/how-to-identify-headlights-e-mark-approved/ suggests they are fake E number Matches exactly the style on the EBay pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Hunter Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 10:24 AM, zardos said: Also https://www.qeedon.com/how-to-identify-headlights-e-mark-approved/ suggests they are fake E number Matches exactly the style on the EBay pictures Any manufacturer can add all the appropriate numbers to their product to make it appear to be genuine/approved. It's only by going down the path outlined above that you have a chance of confirming its provenance, and even then you can be fooled. It is very much "caveat emptor". Mr. Plod is not going to confirm that the specific manufacturer has received EU certification that his product complies with EU specifications, and at the end of the day, if the widget performs in compliance with the regulations does it really matter? However, gross under performance, eg with sub-standard tyres, could initiate further investigation and possible criminal proceedings. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escape Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 A mate recently fitted LED H4 to his headlights, and is very happy with the result. Considering them for the Rangie. Pricey, but cheaper than fitting a LED-bar, and should be similar light output. https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/collections/headlight-led-bulbs/products/latest-led-headlights-h4-philips-z-es-hi-lo-beam-conversion-9-32v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil110 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Given the reduction in police numbers I would imagine you could get away with fitting pretty much anything you like. When did you last see a police traffic car on a motorway, or anywhere else for that matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 The rules are there for good reason. "I didn't think I'd be caught" is not much of a legal defence if you are, and bad lights could be the cause of an accident that results in a close inspection of the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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