D9OSV Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Exactly what it says.... I know there was much talk about this and unfortunately it failed to happen... So, lets see if we can't get this rolling. I am looking for many things. I would love to know line speeds on and off load ? Drum capacities and sizes ? Freespool functions or not ? Can you drive assist or is it not required ? Pulling power of course Size, wieght, compatability to vehicle use et, etc..... However, i would also like to test the user friendlyness of the units, which are quicker to deploy etc.... I hope that some are willing to help with this, as it would be very intresting for all of us. I do not wish to enter into a "Mine is bigger than yours" contest, i would just like to see those that talk a good winch, come and put it to the test All are welcome as we would need a good cross section of vehicles and units for this 'test'to be of any use. Standard units in particular, as it's all very well having massively modified units, but first we require a bench mark. I was looking to do something Febuary time, in Kent 10 minutes from Junction 4 of the M25. I hope that all look upon this favorably, and that we all can gain some insight and further knowledge about winches and winching. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOA 93 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Ooooooh...... Is that the sound of a gauntlet hitting the ground. Bravo that man should be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Mine IS bigger than yours tho I would be up for this, have at least a temp fix for the EFI Misfire (Big Kin Weber 500) so thats ok. Kent not so good, but possible dependant on date, and feb is not that far away.... Maybe those going can meet up, and convoy down and back, and if so can anyone carry some fuel for me please Whats the format of the day / have you a load cell, and PLEASE say no wire rope ? My input will have to be limited to front winch only as rear MM still not refitted I have a huge number of shackles (8t Tested) and HD strops happy to have used, but without being H&S here I think we need to bear in mind the forces of winding up big winches ? What thoughts have you for format ? Tentative "ok" pending date etc Nige Icckle silly oily PTO thingy winch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 That's annoying, it's a bit soon for my busy calendar Mind you, if the spare PTO turns up perhaps I can squeeze an H14 onto dad's RR in time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9OSV Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 Am talking with Paul wightman at present about format, Will have something for you tomorrow. Thank you for showing intrest Now where are all the others...... Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nas90 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Jim, sounds good, close to gigglepin so that we can do some shopping? 2nd and 4th Sunday's are pay & play days for the Horsham brigade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Could Paul maybe talk to John re using slindon for this Bun Fight ? Would be a great venue too ??? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I would've though Grand Canyon would be better as it has one or two slopes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 if its slindon/grand canyon i could produce a T-max for a basic cheapo winch spec for everything else to look good against. ive got wire rope though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Fridge, If OK passenger seat of the 90 will be available Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Cheers Nige - now I'm torn between getting work in on the 109 and coming along to spectate. Jez has just started heavy grinder surgery on Petal, I don't know if she'll be back together in time for this but if she is I may well be acting as transport to the event as I think Jez will be keen to take part if he can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9OSV Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 Don't panic Fridge..... We'll move the 'winch off' to help you and Jez We would not want any excuses Sorry, reasons you can't make it getting in the way. Now how many people do you know that would do that for you...? Just name your dates....... Regards Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Jim, I would be interested in seeing how the 8074 compares... so count me in! Cheers Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I could be interested, too. Got the EP9 ready to run - just need an MoT to be able to get there! ! Otherwise, i'll be along in the Disco to spectate cos it sounds like fun!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 depending on dates i'd like to make it, just got a spot on minor (read major)fettling to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v8bertha Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Yeah, I reckon that sounds like a giggle... Be nice to see how the Huskey (sloooooooow) compares. It has wire rope on it. Am I being too contoversial here or is banning wire rope a bit OTT? I know in the wrong hands it can be lethel. But providing the correct precautions are taken, i.e. weighted (comp spec?) winch blankets, rated shackles, and a wide safety zone... Just seems a bit unfare to discriminate against us that are scint! Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I agree Dan, wire rope was fine for years and years before there was an alternative. Synthetic is safer with no precations taken but with correct safety, wire is fine IMHO. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Jim - you're very kind but I can't name an end-date for the build other than ASAFP since I'm off to Russia as tech support the priority is getting it together and making sure it's reliable, I don't need the winch on it for Russia so I may end up leaving it off in preference for spending time and money on other bits of the vehicle. I'm sure by the summer you'll have another mod to test so we can do this all again - or perhaps Moglite will be able to name a date for the winch-off he was planning (hint hint Andy ) I may be able to muster a 110 with a PTO H14 anyway, not as classy as a 109 but should give some idea. I think banning wire rope is a bit much for most tests (EG winching a vehicle up a slope, re-spool, etc.) but I would stop short of letting people with wire do a "maximum pull" test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Jez's diary, Petal in bits right now March - Lithuania Baltic Cup April - Latvia, Baltic Cup June - Russia, Ladoga August - Estonia, Baltic Cup September - Russia, Baltic cup October - Finland, Warn Trophy October - Russia, Bezdna October - Russia, Korla Raid Petal gets freighted to Finland as soon as its finished and gained its MOT, new car gets built as funds allow. I can happily quote the figures for a hydro setup as its a logic function and not speculation and the components are industrial and therefore come with performance figures. Was ready last time but you had (rightfully) much more important things on your mind, think you can appreciate that this lot (to me) is much more important than a contest in the UK but I will watch the numbers with great interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Jim - will you be inviting Mr Bowyer? He is, after all, the (self proclaimed) "Daddy of winching" and claims his twin-motor is the best winch in the world. Now THAT would be an interesting comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9OSV Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 Thats a thought..? Is Andy (Moglite) about also...? Would really be grateful to hear his input...? Gutted to hear that Jez can't make it, but i'm sure that other type 'R' users would try to make it. Please keep your suggestions coming, we are working hard in the back ground to get this sorted. So please feel free to make comments, no matter how trival they might seem. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br00n1e Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I think its a great innovation, would I be correct in assuming a separate battery and second alternator would work good with this system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MogLite Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Is Andy (Moglite) about also...?Would really be grateful to hear his input...? I'm around - dunno if I'll be up for any winch-off. My H14 PTO still needs machining and shafts making. As its outside under a tarp at the moment - its not near the top of any priority list. Depending on timing, I might be able to help/referee/scrutineer. As you are making this product, so the harbingers of doom can't bring it up. Supply a vehicle, and step away, let someone else do the testing - they'll only call rigged/fixed regardless of any results. I applaude you for making something, bringing it to production and market, also being willing to put it to a test and gather as many numbers as possible. Why there is so much p155ing in the wind makes me upset. Buy Scorpion - you are wrong Build your own - and people that can't whine Bring something new to market - people whine TBH thats the attitude I'm seeing more and more of. Which is why I'm not posting here much, and I'm not in the garage building Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Please keep your suggestions coming, we are working hard in the back ground to get this sorted. So please feel free to make comments, no matter how trival they might seem. Another suggestion would be to see if you can get the mags interested - I realise that it's a bit too factual and real-life for most of them to actually get their hands dirty testing something but you never know - they might be able to stump up some extra winches to test or even persuade the likes of Mr Bowyer to attend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Andys got a good point - if he's free he would get my vote as an impartial ref/loud shouting ginger person a duration test under load would be the area Im particularly interested in (and before you all start kicking off - for my applications!) how this would be rigged has got to be ground dependant I would have thought - a known load (same for all units under test) repeatedly dragged up a common hill with no respite, with hydros the limit would be thermal gain in the fluid and leccies is going to be voltage drop, 200metres with motors dead engined during payout? I guess the other factors would be tank size for hydro and battery capacity for leccies. a recovery time based on the time period required to return all things to normal would be good (oil temp to fall and batteries to recover charge) PTOs are gonna romp that test (DAAN ) Overrun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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