Stellaghost Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Hi guys, Looking to buy one of these, supposed to be top notch in the plumbing world, I don't need it for that, at least not constantly however will it be a good source of heat for those jobs we are all aware of, or is there something better suited Thanks in advance regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 No idea what exact model it is... but my rothenberger torch did about 10 years with a plumber mate before he bought a new one on offer as it was cheaper than buying just a cylinder. Piezo isn't working these days but I just light it with a lighter or my gas soldering iron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, landroversforever said: No idea what exact model it is... but my rothenberger torch did about 10 years with a plumber mate before he bought a new one on offer as it was cheaper than buying just a cylinder. Piezo isn't working these days but I just light it with a lighter or my gas soldering iron. Ok I guess my next question would be, if you smashed it would you replace like for like... What's it like at heating steel up ? Regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I've used it heating some ~3mm bits up and it seemed to do ok! That was only on a butane cylinder too, not a MAPP one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Got a MAPP one as you describe, great for getting heat into things, I'd say 10x faster than a little butane torch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 16 minutes ago, Bowie69 said: Got a MAPP one as you describe, great for getting heat into things, I'd say 10x faster than a little butane torch. Would you recommend the mapp one Peter regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzar Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I would replace mine with the same if it was smashed. Nowhere as good as proper gas, but very good for a hand held thing. Pick it up and hold it, it just lights and goes. One thing, though. Get the plastic base, the gas cylinders aren't the most stable of things, and it's often on its side when you are looking for it. Gas isn't exactly dear, and does last a bit. It will get light bits of steel to bright red, and heavier stuff soft enough to bend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Unless they've changed them.... they take either cylinder. MAPP burns hotter so great if you want to get heat in quicker or need more heat. I'd stick with normal gas for stuff like pipe soldering though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L19MUD Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 As above I use MAPP gas for heating stuff up to bend or nuts that won't undo etc. Would never be without it now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 41 minutes ago, Stellaghost said: Would you recommend the mapp one Peter regards Stephen For heating stuff, yes, have soldered pipes with it as well mind, just don't get them too hot.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 Plumbing would be about 3% of use, I have a very limited supply of oxy/ acetylene which I use only when I absolutely have to. So going by what you guys are telling me Rothenburger or Mapp torches would do find but my go to gas would need to be mapp gas due to it burning hotter Regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 For example.... I had some 1" boiler pipes that were not quite bent right, I was able to pretty easily heat to red and adjust them by hand... very useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballcock Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Rothenberger make quality equipment, just make sure that the torch has an adjustable flame as one version of their torch doesn't. They will take both gas bottles but as said, the mapp gas is hottest. As a plumber I have been using mapp gas for years regularly and would not bother with anything else. The torches can be used for brazing and silver solder which mine often get used for. There are also a range of nozzles available for different uses and spares if needed The biggest problem I have found with Rothenberger version is they snap by the base of the burner if dropped and hit the tip. This may be a safety point but gets expensive to replace so I currently use a cheaper brand which works just as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossberg Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) I bought a second hand one off ebay, I think about £35 delivered. I am not the wealthiest of folk so a brand new one seemed expensive and I would not use it enough for the cost. However I am happy I have mine as it certainly helps with some tasks. I presume its the gas that is the main component in producing the heat,so I am sure other cheaper torches will work, but I took a punt on the used one having enough use left in it for my requirements. I have used it to remove threaded things that I thought I would have to drill out and re tap. My first use, and the reason I bought the torch, was the removal of bolts holding on the brake caliper on the front of my defender. I had already cut the caliper in half to get to the back of the screw so I could apply penetrating fluid. Penetrating fluid just didn't work (I broke a screwfix socket remover trying to undo it). I was advised to use the map gas with the Rothenberger so I got that. I got another socket removal kit (Toolstation this time - I would have preferred Irwin but nowhere had them at the time), I drilled the caliper bolt from the back to hopefully remove some stress on the thread. I then heated, quenched then heated again and used the socket removal tool on a 2ft breaker bar - both bolts came out. I also removed the swivel housing oil plug that I was sure would never come out and also a steering lock stop bolt which I also believed would never move. If I drove over the Rothenberger would I replace it - perhaps. I would certainly replace it with something but I don't know what are reliable alternatives. I am not a tool snob but I like things to work. I will often look for a good second hand quality tool than a cheap make - I would like new and quality but that often is not an option on my budget. If I was starting a land rover restoration I would happily buy a Rothenberger as I would be happy I would give it enough use to justify the cost. However, I would certainly ask people for opinions on alternatives, but map gas in my opinion is a great addition to the toolbox. Edited January 14, 2023 by Mossberg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 I’ve been looking at getting one of these for a while. I’d seen them online and in Screwfix - I noticed toolstation have had some on sale at some point too. My cheap butane torch has failed - it stopped igniting first and then the flame went very inconsistent. There are no spares available for it - so better quality and with spares seems like the best way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaklander Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 I have this one which is also available widely. I’ve had it for years and it has done all sorts of plumbing and workshop parts heating. I didn’t realise immediately that there is a push button on the top that locks the trigger on. This allows it to be used more easily. I use MAPP gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 So just to put this to bed this arrived today got this lot for the same price as the torch only at machine mart Regards Stephen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Torch looks identical to the one above in @Peaklander's post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Is that the same price with VAT Stephen ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I can only find this: https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/15644-rothenberger-super-fire-2-torch-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, Anderzander said: Is that the same price with VAT Stephen ? £5 difference 2 minutes ago, Anderzander said: I can only find this: https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/15644-rothenberger-super-fire-2-torch-/ Got mine from plumbing supplies direct regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Bowie69 said: Torch looks identical to the one above in @Peaklander's post. I thought that myself, probably both made by the same company and badged differently like a few things these days regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Oh sorry - I read that wrong ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Ohhhh I like that extension hose! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, landroversforever said: Ohhhh I like that extension hose! Me too figured it may come in useful at some point in the future... Regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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