FridgeFreezer Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Per the title really, I need to do some bulkhead welding on the ambulance and want to remove the front wings for access, but without disturbing any more bits than I absolutely have to. So - any tips, pointers, warnings etc.? From this diagram I assume I need to unbolt #16, and then the radiator mounting bolts attached to #5... And from this diagram I assume I'm removing #2 (x2) and #13 (x4). That feels too easy - what have I missed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Which but if the bulkhead needs getting to? Doable with just the side panel off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Early models have the bracket at the top of the guard so #16, later models just bolt directly to the bulkhead. There are 4 bolts #11 at the back of the guard to the bulkhead. The two #2screws to the footwear bracket, there is another small bracket or stay to the bottom of the guard from the bulkhead, then the bolts from the inner guard to the bulkhead support brackets, #13. At the front of the guard is the bolts to the slam panel, and two bolts to the chassis at the bottom. Early radiator brackets bolted to the guard too as you mentioned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaklander Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Have a look at the #11 ones with a phone camera or get your head in there. I think one is in a hole and the rest slotted. Saves removing them completely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 A month from 7S and you are dismantling the ambulance.....? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 top no 11 needs removing but lower 3 just need loosening 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted May 28, 2023 Author Share Posted May 28, 2023 2 hours ago, landroversforever said: Which but if the bulkhead needs getting to? Doable with just the side panel off? Footwells, and TBH I think it's preferable to take the whole wing off as a unit than to try splitting the skins with 40-year-old fasteners tucked up in there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted May 28, 2023 Author Share Posted May 28, 2023 52 minutes ago, Bowie69 said: A month from 7S and you are dismantling the ambulance.....? One weekend from the 24 Hours of LeMans you mean - 7S is aaaaages away yet Just trying to get through the jobs list while I've got sunny weekends as I lost 2 bank holidays to a knackered back 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallfry Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 I would just take the whole front wing off. Bit of a bummer if you faff around and cannot get at the subject properly. I would probably take the door off too. Just makes access soooooo much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Nowt like making room to operate IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaklander Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 41 minutes ago, smallfry said: I would probably take the door off too. Just makes access soooooo much easier. Totally agree. Also it stops things trying to bend under the weight, even tho' it sounds as if the A post is staying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 There is a wiring earth bolted to the inner wing to wing support plate at the front edge and the wiring loom clips along that same inner guard to wing support. Easiest done with the arch extension off . Also an M6 on the rear bottom edge for the wing stay/siil trim. They are a bit of an awkward lump once loose but it's by far the best way to access the BH footwell area and a chance to check the post and inject some cavity wax in there. New floor screws and plastic inserts are handy to have for easy finishing off if the whole footwell is being cut out, along with the correct M8 screws for the BH support bracket. Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurbie Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 just a quick inbetween question , if you take off the outer skin , what kind of spanner do you need to hold the top bolts , you can get a ratchet with an extension on the inside , but the outside boltheads are very close to the top off the skin , with a folded piece of aluminium in the way for a normal box spanner, or open ended one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 the wing outer skin fixings are the same captive j nuts with the acme thread as the all round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaklander Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 I have managed to get at mine with a 3/8" drive 13mm socket but I possibly used 1/4" too. They are tricky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallfry Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 If you take off the arch extension it make it a whole lot easier to get the outer wing to bulkhead bolts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted May 29, 2023 Author Share Posted May 29, 2023 Well only 4-5 hours after I started the cussed job the wing is FREE! Someone has (I think) had it removed before (possibly event replaced it) and not re-fitted all the right bolts which made things less than straightforward... plus a few seized/snapped bolts of course and other minor irritations All I've got to do now is gracefully disconnect the wiring loom from it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 1 hour ago, FridgeFreezer said: All I've got to do now is gracefully disconnect the wiring loom from it The loom would benefit from a strategic multiplug just there but pulling it out attached is a chance to check for chafing (more powder please Matron) along the clipped section on the inner arch to wing. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted May 29, 2023 Author Share Posted May 29, 2023 2 hours ago, steve b said: The loom would benefit from a strategic multiplug just there It's just gained one The sum total of today's efforts has been that I managed to get the passenger floor up and the wing removed, and do a bit of light prep for the actual job of cutting & welding Also made a couple of captive nuts for the re-fitting to make Future Me's life easier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On 5/28/2023 at 3:13 PM, FridgeFreezer said: Footwells, and TBH I think it's preferable to take the whole wing off as a unit than to try splitting the skins with 40-year-old fasteners tucked up in there. I think you mis-spelled something. My 37 year old fasteners are also tucked up in there...but with a different first letter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On 5/28/2023 at 3:15 PM, FridgeFreezer said: One weekend from the 24 Hours of LeMans you mean - 7S is aaaaages away yet Just trying to get through the jobs list while I've got sunny weekends as I lost 2 bank holidays to a knackered back I'm trying to do the same although my footwells are fine. My rot is at the top (so far) and my back is definitely shot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Backs seem to be a theme…. I had one doctor tell me that at my age, 40% or more of men have significant back pain, so it’s normal. Evidently she was unable to comprehend the difference between “normal” and “common”. 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 12 minutes ago, Snagger said: Backs seem to be a theme…. I had one doctor tell me that at my age, 40% or more of men have significant back pain, so it’s normal. Evidently she was unable to comprehend the difference between “normal” and “common”. 🙄 "Slightly" off topic... I broke my back in an accident in 1980 but got away with, at the time, no long term issues. 2 years later I refined the process yomping across the Falklands with a big heavy bergen and some carp boots...and a couple of years after that rounded it off by ejecting from a Hunter on a low flying exercise. Fair to say that it's a bit fragile these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 7 minutes ago, Junglie said: "Slightly" off topic... I broke my back in an accident in 1980 but got away with, at the time, no long term issues. 2 years later I refined the process yomping across the Falklands with a big heavy bergen and some carp boots...and a couple of years after that rounded it off by ejecting from a Hunter on a low flying exercise. Fair to say that it's a bit fragile these days. Yep, that’ll do it…😬. The old fashioned bang seats in a Hunter must punch about 25G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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