western Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 Right, got a ROW 300Tdi instrument loom here, I would like to source the male plug that fits the socket, then I could after a trial to ensure the temp gauge will work OK, fit the matching male plug to my existing wiring thus making a neater job of the instrument pack wiring instead of loads of spade & bullet connections. anyone know where I can get the male plug & terminals from [Even a ex Td5 plug will do provided it has a few inches of wiring attached] Help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 Well, I suppose it's keeping your out of mischief, Ralph ! Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 Been looking at this ROW 300Tdi wiring I just got today, on the 2nd speedo plug [connector C1061] the wire postions are different to the currently fitted Td5 wiring. looking from the face of the connector that goes into the speedo with the clip on the left nearest me , the wires are all on one side, in this order [see photo's below] pin 1 white/orange pin 2 not used pin 3 green/black pin 4 not used pin 5 green/blue pin 6 not used pin 7 light green/black pin 8 not used pin 9 light green/blue pin 10 not used haven't connected it to the instruments/vehicle yet to se if the Td5 temp gauge reads correctly, it's far too late to start that now. sure is Mo, keeping my brainbox occupied anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Checked the Td5 plug last night it only has these connections pin 1 white/orange pin 3 green/black pin7 light green/black so 2 more wires in the 300Tdi ROW instrument loom, so here's to finding out if it works the temp gauge correctly. more to come eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 right a bit more info. if you get a complete Td5 instrument pack & want to use the big grey 14 way socket, you'll need this info to obtain a plug to match http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=28502 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 WOO HOO Successfully sorted. I now have fully functional Td5 speedo/fuel & water temp gauges in my dash. I've kept the original 1989 warning light display. [but might change to the Td5 type at a later date] Got it sorted with the Td5 temp gauge [LR part YAD100900] & the 300Tdi Rest of World instrument loom [LR part YMG109260] & a Green temp sender [LR part AMR1425 for a 300Tdi] located within the outer of a 200Tdi sender photo below, modded like this & the plug end from a Freelander 2001 from PaulMc [Cheers Sir ] all fitted & test driven, temp gauge sits just below vertical same place as the old TD/200Tdi temp gauge, so guess who is a very happy boy I soldered all the connections between the plug & existing loom to give me reliablilty. So there you go, it can be done using totally genuine LR parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Splendid Ralph, how much did the harness work out to in the end ? Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Are you sat down even with a bit of discount from my parts supplier it was still 94quid inc vat I admit I could have gone the resistor route, but this way I know the temp gauge will give me a good reading at all temps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 [cough] bit pricey! Glad you got it sorted though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 would have been more without any discount glad it done though, looks much more upto date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 94quid inc vat Effin' 'ell !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Still if you're happy with the result then it's money well spent I've just been putting power through the TD5 bulkhead in the garage prepping that for installation What's even better is that it all works Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMc Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Are you sat down even with a bit of discount from my parts supplier it was still 94quid inc vat I admit I could have gone the resistor route, but this way I know the temp gauge will give me a good reading at all temps. I spotted this on eBay this morning, too late for you Ralph, but it might be useful to someone else - WIRING LOOM~HARNESS~DEFENDER TD5~CLOCK~SPEEDO~GAUGES Only £12.00 + £2.95 p&p Don't all rush at once Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 I saw that too ------ But it won't work with the 300Tdi green temp sender, only if you do as Mo did with a resistor, as I've already tried, the 300Tdi ROW harness has extra wires in the lower speedo plug that allows the green temp sender to work, a Td5 sends it's temp signal to the ecu & that tells the gauge where to put the needle so the driver gets a temp indication. dfference in the speedo plug are listed above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 good luck with the bulkhead fit Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Just been outside to take these, with & without lights on. much easier to reads/monitor than the old gauges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 That's only half a job, Ralph, get the rest of the binnacle fitted Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 That's only half a job, Ralph, get the rest of the binnacle fitted Mo I'm quite happy with the gauges for now, still got the rest, might do that later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 just another question on the Td5 harness that came with the instrument pack, the white/orange wire from the lower plug on back of the speedo identified as C1061 pin 1 [as we know is the low fuel light] has a extra 'flylead' on it, it's got a factory joint on it same as some of the black wires in the loom, [i fitted the end terminal]as in the photo below, the right hand WO wire goes off to what would be the big grey multiplug to connect to the rest of the vehicles wiring. any idea why this loom would have this extra flylead Cos I haven't [& the 300Tdi ROW loom hasn't got it either. I can't see it on this loom that PaulMc posted a few days ago. [2nd photo] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edd Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Just a quick thanks to all those that have posted the tech in this thread. Just got my td5 clocks working in my 110 (200tdi). Just got to make the adapter for the green temp probe and all should be well. (Ive moved a couple of pins on the back of the speedo to correspond with the light green/blue and green/blue wires on the row loom, running the light green/blue to the temp gauge and green/blue to the temp sender on the standard i get no reading (as already mention in an earlier post) but if i short to earth it goes to full. fingers crossed that with the new sender it works) Will let you know. Edd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Nice one Edd Are you using a posh harness or a resister for your temp gauge ? It's interesting to see what other people do as we all approach these things in different ways and sometimes we do the same thing yet get different results Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Good idea Edd, mines going well so far found the 300Tdi wiring diagrams in here it shows the 300Tdi ROW instrument wiring for the later Td5 type electronic speedo & associated gauges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edd Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Nice one Edd Are you using a posh harness or a resister for your temp gauge ? It's interesting to see what other people do as we all approach these things in different ways and sometimes we do the same thing yet get different results Mo Im using the original td5 loom but modified to route the temp signal through the speedo like the 300tdi row loom. will know in the next couple of days if its good but its looking good so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 I look forward to the results ! Good luck Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Bar Cowboy Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 I have just finished fitting my pod and all is well. The info given here is excellent, however, there is no battery inside the head electronics, but there is a super capacitor that provides a similar function. For those interested the mileage is held as a HEX number in a serial EEPROM. These are easy enough to erase if you have the ‘know how’, but more difficult to re-program without a specialist programmer. Most ‘speedo houses’ will use a clip on emulator. Points worthy of note are the shameful facts that the RAVE 1999 / 00 model year instrument diagram is completely wrong (even to the point that LR have altered the laws of physics !). However, the RAVE 2002 diagram is much better, bit still wrong with regard to some of the warning lights. All mine are connected including a couple of extra functions………..fans on low speed are connected to the ‘water in fuel’ light and fans on high speed are connected to the centre LED in the speedo head. For those with the hazard warning switch on the lower dash, it is quite easy to take a feed to the hazard warning light on the TD5 pod. I really like the way the newer fuel gauge works, although it is designed for the larger rear tank and the low fuel light comes on when there is about 5 – 7 L remaining in the tank. I am not using the Temperature gauge or the clock ………. These on mine are replaced by ‘real’ gauges ……….. Autometer ultra lite metric water Temp and oil pressure. The RS numbers quoted by DJ for the plugs are almost correct (DJ quoted one as a ‘cap’ plug part number) 362 8796 for the 20 way plug 362 8780 for the 16 way plug 362 8869 for the pins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 the Td5 tank is smaller than the earlier vehicles. Td5 = 75 litres others [110 & 130 only] = 80litres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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