zim Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Morning, Our centre winch is a bit slow and i can't activate freespool from within the cab... So tempted in changing it. Which brings me to two questions : Which winch is relatively fast and has an in cab (preferably air) freespool option - it has to be able to spool off freely, due to going through the centre hawse and then 90 degrees off to the winch man. It can't be an 8274 as i only have a mount point for the normal style. What are the goodwinch tds's like ? How freely do the drums rotate in freespool ? And how fast are they winching in with / without load ? I run a 5.5 yellow top 12v with 100A alt and don't wish to upgrade the electrics any more as my front n rear winches are hydraulic. We currently have a britpart 9500 in their, and as much as this may come as a surprise it is damn reliable and always worked - just a little slow ! Thanks Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractorboy16 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 can't speak from actually use but a friend of mine has the goldfinch TDs with air spool and he also has the 24 volt conversion box David offers and that is superb. when he has the 24v conversion box in it is quicker than my standard 8274 which has a Bow 1 on it. His free spool is air operated and seems to be ok but never bitched for him so can't talk from experience. I know I would happily put it in as my middle. Wether you need the 24v box on it is optional as in 12V it seems to work just as well and if he is ever doing any heavy pulls he leaves it in 12V. I am sure someone shall be along shortly though with some actual experience. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 The TDS is a good winch - We ran one with the air freespool on the rear of our truck for quite some time. The freespool disengages the drive from the gearbox, so the drag is still fairly significant - it is nothing like as free as the drum based freespools available for the 8274. This is nothing to do with the air freespool, just the design of the winch - the addition of air just actuates the standard freespool lever. We run an ep9 in the centre and have no issues with it - this is basically the same winch as the tds. Freespool will be going on it at some point (same unit as the tds one) but it's not that high on our list of priorities. hth Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Freespool on the TDS can be.... very free, or not very free in my experience. When I first installed it, it was hardly worth using freespool as it was not the one fingered job that David likes to demonstrate it is, it was a full on pull with one arm. After a few uses and removal and refits it was a lot lot better. Then.... I was trying a bit too hard to get up a mud bank, which the winch bumper was smacking into a bit, the next time I went to use the winch I fell over it was so free... not sure what I did but it seems the mount is very important to these winches. I have since serviced the winch and replaced the rather sticky grease with a much lighter one, with PTFE in it to help the freespool further, haven't tried it yet, but seems to move OK by hand As for speed, it's about the fastest lowline around IIRC, especially if kitted with a Bowmotor 1/2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 ...especially if kitted with a Bowmotor 1/2. Half a Bowmotor Zim, whats to stop you putting in a milemarker Type R or similar for the centre winch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 Cheers for the replies. I do have a superwinch X9 with bow 1 that needs an overhaul, but not sure how fast this is ? Zim, whats to stop you putting in a milemarker Type R or similar for the centre winch? i've fallen over a few times recently so it's used for getting me back on my wheels ! G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Oh of course... Engine off = no hydraulics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Just a thought I have T'd in the ARB lines on both my front and rear hydro winches with a Air ram, some tubing and a couple of soleniods and switches I have remote (ie in cab) enage / disenage freespools on both and they iz loverley, mine were bodged up out of bits here and there so cheap made from carefully selected and crafted sh1te given begged borrowed removed from skip aquired parts, so isn't expensive, use the same ram for both and just carry 1 spare if needed ? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 Nige - my milemarkers already have air rams on them, High - Free - Low all in one switch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwcooper Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Freespool on the TDS can be.... very free, or not very free in my experience. When I first installed it, it was hardly worth using freespool as it was not the one fingered job that David likes to demonstrate it is, it was a full on pull with one arm. After a few uses and removal and refits it was a lot lot better. Then.... I was trying a bit too hard to get up a mud bank, which the winch bumper was smacking into a bit, the next time I went to use the winch I fell over it was so free... not sure what I did but it seems the mount is very important to these winches. I have since serviced the winch and replaced the rather sticky grease with a much lighter one, with PTFE in it to help the freespool further, haven't tried it yet, but seems to move OK by hand As for speed, it's about the fastest lowline around IIRC, especially if kitted with a Bowmotor 1/2. Im glad someone else finds the same thing with their TDS mine is exactly the same! I was starting to think there was something wrong with mine, I have even taken it apart and all looks fine Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Yep, Bish had the same issue IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 So the TDS is more reliant on the mounting for stiffness and keeping it all in line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Can't really say that for sure, only giving my impressions of it, though it does seem to be pretty sensitive to how it is mounted/straightness of the mount. Having stripped mine recently I can confirm the gearbox seals work very well -the bowmotor was another story though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Tds gets my vote. If you take it apart and wash out all the grease from the gearbox - it increases the speed by about 50% and makes the freespool worth having. Replace the grease with the one-shot swivel grease which is a lot thinner and works much better. I think the grease used is designed to be thick in hot countries. Since the UK is rarely a hot country - all it does is sap power! First Four are soon going to have a freespool / Hi / low kit for Milemarkers operated by a single switch. How do I know this? Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 Tds gets my vote. If you take it apart and wash out all the grease from the gearbox - it increases the speed by about 50% and makes the freespool worth having. Replace the grease with the one-shot swivel grease which is a lot thinner and works much better. I think the grease used is designed to be thick in hot countries. Since the UK is rarely a hot country - all it does is sap power! First Four are soon going to have a freespool / Hi / low kit for Milemarkers operated by a single switch. How do I know this? Si Si - from a couple years ago Just a couple pneumatic valves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3DPE Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 So the TDS is more reliant on the mounting for stiffness and keeping it all in line? As with almost all the winches on the market (I know of only one that the winch its self is the mount and its very cool ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Si - from a couple years ago Just a couple pneumatic valves My solution (even if I say so myself) is quite elegant using single acting custom made rams (much like the Tds Freespool sold by Goodwinch) except, on the Milemarker, one of them uses a strong spring to make one plunger default to the out position. This means that in the absence of air / failure, it will default to low range. One valve / piston gives high range and the other freespool. This keeps the cost down compared to using off the shelf rams and two 5 port valves. It's not new or even that remarkable - just low cost enough to be commercial. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 First Four are soon going to have a freespool / Hi / low kit for Milemarkers operated by a single switch. How do I know this? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saley Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 The freespools which are on my winches will fit a milemarker with the aid of a few extra washers 2 freespool valves 1 main switch hi/free/low £450 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted April 24, 2011 Author Share Posted April 24, 2011 Does the TDS with a big drum have the same mounting footprint ? or is it a wider winch ? Cheers Gordon p.s. Britpart solenoids don't work underwater....doh ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 I think that the drum is just deeper, not longer . So the same footprint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 This one's big... and quite fast actually. only has a capacity of 6600m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted April 27, 2011 Author Share Posted April 27, 2011 Anchor winch ? Our anchor winches at work are tiny compared to that LOL.... our draw works on the other hand is good for a couple million pounds and it's quick ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 The deep drum TDS simply has larger side plates on the drum. Nothing more complicated than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Anchor winch ? Our anchor winches at work are tiny compared to that LOL.... our draw works on the other hand is good for a couple million pounds and it's quick ! hehehe, 1200t deep sea lowering system (storage) winch for a 5000t offshore crane. 109mm steel wire rope. na for the faint hearted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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