dennisthemennis.co.uk Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I had just cranked up my L reg 90 defender and was happy rumbling down hill and the clutch felt unusual, when I tried to change down the Clutch pedal went solid and I couldn't get it back into gear, the pedal just wouldn't move. The engine runs and will go into gear as normal without the engine running ... There is clutch fluid in the pot, quite low ... No signs of leakage anywhere ... Pictured is the reservoir (I'm sure you know this) the piston pictured will not push in by the pedal unless I open up the pipe joint and which the pedal goes down but fluid comes out ... I am no mechanic but happy to get my hands dirty and want to know whats wrong, I changed the gearbox and clutch alone about 35,000 miles ago ... Any suggestions or obvious things that could be wrong? I would appreciate your thoughts ... dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landy-Novice Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 clutch fork? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratty43 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Since the pedal goes down with the union loose the Master must be ok. There must be something at the Slave end stopping the slave piston moving. I would have thought that if the clutch pushrod had gone through the fork then the slave piston would reach the end of it's travel which would then prevent the pedal moving again. That would also account for the sudden drop in fluid as it would be filling the slave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 my clutch fork gave up the goose and the pedal went hard like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scube Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 This happened to me once on my first ever land rover. Pulled the clutch out to find one of the slippers (fits to the clutch fork) had worn away and had dropped into the clutch and jamed into the pressure plate. Could be.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DagdaNI Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 yeah would say its the fork, this might be a good read for you http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=5009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Broken clutch fork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I'm not familar with the symptoms of a broken clutch fork, but I had similar to what you describe when the clutch release bearing seized, then melted itself into a new shape. The pedal wouldn't budge one bit, and gears could only be engaged wit hthe engine off. Either way, I'm afraid it sounds like a box out job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 If it is the fork then a reinforced one should stop it happening again for a long while. They can be bought or just weld some plate accross the back of a normal one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyNissanPrairie Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 same as mine just before Xmas-clutch fork broken through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 fork or melty release bearing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Isn't there an all metal release bearing you can get? EDIT: I can only find it from Brit Part FTC5200HD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 yep. rakeway do them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve King Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 If you ask Les nicely he may have a reinforced clutch fork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I had this last year, exactly the same! my thrust bearing had disintegrated and got stuck, just to be on the safe side I bought everything, fork, bearing, clutch etc. The only thing that wasnt damaged was the master cylinder. Hope its not as bad, but whilst in there may as well replace everything with heavy duty. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennisthemennis.co.uk Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 thanks for your help guys really appreciate it ... tomorrow ill check the slave cylinder before i embark on removing the box ... fingers crossed ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 If it is the fork then a reinforced one should stop it happening again for a long while. They can be bought or just weld some plate accross the back of a normal one. No it won't if it broke where mine broke. Not the rod pushed through which I expected but the fork broken on the short side on each fork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 No it won't if it broke where mine broke. Not the rod pushed through which I expected but the fork broken on the short side on each fork. I did say 'Should' not will In fairness that would be a less common place to break, was there any sign of damage that may have lead to the crack? Out of curiosity was it a reinforced arm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 CW. You know I have Weetabix for breakfast every day. Can't remember what I had this morning LOL WE. We think that the fork had been bent to get the clutch to work....It was cracked on both sides. Who knows. That fork had been in for over 100,000 miles. I was going to have the clutch replaced the next month because of our expected trip. The broken fork beet me to it. Long story. Ask me at a show one day. I do have a complete clutch in the box under the drivers seat. Got for our first trip. Never used.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I think 100,000 miles is a fair innings I'll keep an eye out for you when show season starts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennisthemennis.co.uk Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 i popped the slave cylinder off and it looks like the piston had come out and was dangling in the housing, is this probable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eds Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Sounds like the slave over extended itself due to clutch fork failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennisthemennis.co.uk Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 out of sheer desperation i popped it back on and its still had it. Gearbox nearly off and clutch kit on its way ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diff Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Make sure you order a new clutch fork/arm too as mentioned by others above, as they don't normally come in a standard clutch 'kit'. I would only ever fit a reinforced arm. Either a shop bought one, or a diy reinforced one. Regards, Diff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuck Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Sorry for the hijack but can anyone post pics of a standard and reinforced arm please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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