hector-boy Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Thanks for the reply. After more research I think I will wait for a turbo om606. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbz460 Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 I have a non-turbo OM606 and have added a small Garret turbo (TB25) which it needed. This was off ebay as specified for a Ssangyong Musso OM602 motor. I used an exhaust manifold from a factory OM606 turbo motor. But it also needed the 6mm elements. I had my pump modified with the larger elements by dieselmeken in Sweden - made a huge difference (not just the elements - he is a wizard) Very happy with the power now. The non-turbo motor has the required piston oil squirters but the piston rods are not as heavy duty. I am assuming its strong enough for a low boost (12PSI) turbo. I am having some dramas getting the piping between the turbo and crossover pipe to seal well, without any boost loss. I am not using an intercooler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carloz Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 No need to change carter bulg? It is jus above the axle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacr2man Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 No need to change carter bulg? It is jus above the axle... QUE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carloz Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Ashcroft states that the "big" torque converter is soon needed, i.e. for the 2,8TGV engine. The OM606 has much more potential so I guess the big TC is mandatory... the big one needs 15mm extra space in the bellhousing... The 3.9 autobox has the "medium"-size TC so I am wondering it will do. Also because the lock-up clutch from the "medium" one is not that strong. So far I can see one need a 15mm thicker adapterplate to have enough space in a standard ZF-bellhousing (or a difficult to obtain early 4,6 bellhousing). But still.. if the OM606 stays quite standard I expect the 3.9 autobox wil do :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carloz Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Que? That's French :-) The deep part of the sump (or carter) is right above the front axle... So I can imagine those two try to kiss eachother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbz460 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I had the sump modified for my W460 G-wagen since the motor came from a 300E W210 sedan. The OM606A was a factory engine in the later G300 G-wagen with a different sump to the E300. However the G300 sump is very rare and expensive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacr2man Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 ask Manuel I think its spanish for What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carloz Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Yes... I understand.. but how about my question.. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Yes... I understand.. but how about my question.. :-) Dry sump? It is perfectly possible to cut and weld a sump and it be leak free, ok, I have not yet managed one and farmed the last one out after 3 failed attempts but others succeeded Endless possibilities my friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 The bulge in the sump houses the oil pump, so the oil pump needs swapping to the on648 pump. The sump from the 648 fits to the engine, but doesn't match the bellhousing pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I had the sump modified for my W460 G-wagen since the motor came from a 300E W210 sedan. The OM606A was a factory engine in the later G300 G-wagen with a different sump to the E300. However the G300 sump is very rare and expensive. Any idea what the part number is for the gwagen sump is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carloz Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 thinking out loud.... Maybe cutting off the bulge en moving it backwards will do the job: the oil pickup pipe has possibly to be extended (or maybe not , would be nice) and in the oil pump area the sump has only to cover and just clear the pump. This gives some extra room underneath... In the end this possibly gives the enough clearance and there is no need to search and pay(!) for extra hard to obtain parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoSS Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 You can fit a sump (carter - lol) and oil pump from a 0M648 3.2 CDI it has the pan at the rear and the pump drops onto a 606 without any mods. You may need a different bellhousing or mod it at the rear. I have done this, it works. http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/showthread.php?tid=5652 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 My plan is to butcher the original pan and the 648 one to give me a rear sump with the right bellhousing for the 722.6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carloz Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 @ HoSS: looks very good! Gaz-fab is not mentioning any sump modifications/swaps for their conversions... But it's needed anyway, I assume.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 My plan is to butcher the original pan and the 648 one to give me a rear sump with the right bellhousing for the 722.6. Judging by that thread Hoss posted it's a cast ally sump? Could be wrong mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoSS Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Yes cast Alu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyninety Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 ***** GazFabs pictures ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 No problems chopping and re welding an Ali sump . But I won't be doing anything until I've hung it in place and looked at the real-world clearances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyninety Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Gaz says even with a front sump, clearance is close but not an issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daslandroverman Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Depends what you're doing with the vehicle really? I can't see a rear sump being that hard to alter an adapter ring for (drill some extra holes in the appropriate places) and it probably helps make things look a bit neater? It hinges on how much money you have to spend I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soren Frimodt Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Yikes that motor-mount doesn't look good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I'm using the Mercedes auto, so no adaptor ring. It would be a bit of a lash up to make the rear sump fit the box without joining the old rear back on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carloz Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 @ Soren: I agree. The vertical parts from the mounts has to cover the whole hight of the chassis beam: now the vertical wall off the mainbeam is going to flex under the load during driving (and for sure while off-roading!!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.