dailysleaze Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I seen these two different types of recovery point to fit to the tow hitch holes on a rear crossmember. Other than price and visual size, has anyone got any experience/views of their suitability? I'm looking at something that can handle recovering vehicles with 1 axle stuck, with snatching being a rare event. http://www.lrsshop.co.uk/content/rear-recovery-hitch http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-recovery-Swivel-Shackle-/321077261238 I already have jate rings, but find the ability to not get on hands and knees appealing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustardman Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 If you enter any form of competition welded type recovery points are generally not allowed, even if done professionally. If its for occasional use its hard to beat a standard tow ball and spreader plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 bolt on ring item 1 in http://lrcat.com/#31/4/52784 would be fine with the item 3 decent spreader plate on other side of cross member, I bought one ages ago, but if fitted it interferes with my adjustable tow hitch & slider plates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollywog Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 What's wrong with a dixon bate jaw? They're properly rated and with a good spreader plate should be ideal, same sort of price too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
specialbikejames Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 They are both ok, as are NATO hitches and standard tow hitches. It's the spreader plates which you need to keep the thing workable, the standard cross member is paper thin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailysleaze Posted November 6, 2013 Author Share Posted November 6, 2013 A tow ball would be fine but the departure angle has caught me out before and I don't do any towing. It's a Td5 crossmember which doesn't have bolt holes all the way through, so i'm not sure how to get a spreader plate into the setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I have one very similar to the 2nd one, which has been great for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailysleaze Posted November 6, 2013 Author Share Posted November 6, 2013 What's wrong with a dixon bate jaw? They're properly rated and with a good spreader plate should be ideal, same sort of price too. Do you mean one of these? (lower pic) http://forum.lro.com/viewtopic.php?p=523240#p523240 I've not discounted anything at the moment as long as it doesn't affect the departure angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
specialbikejames Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Well the Td5 set up With the Dixon jaw looks good. Didn't really think about the rear mounted tank on the Td5 in my post above so I guess you'll have to wave the inner spreader plate unless you want to drop the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollywog Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I didn't realise the td5 crossmember was that much different. Dixon bate do several types of jaw, the 3.5 ton bolt holes are standard tow ball fitting, the 5 ton jaw bolt holes are the same as the NATO hitch. I was in Leisure Mart in Pershore last week they do a combined ball & pin rated at 4 ton for about £25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Land Rover does a kit for the Td5 which allows you to mount a hitch on the crossmember. It includes a spreader plate and reinforcing bracket. Like many Genuine Parts items it's not cheap, but it's quick and easy to fit. Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluespanner Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 NATO hitch, if all you ever intend to pull is a rope. Keep it oiled though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanuki Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I've only ever found it necessary to use the OEM tow-hitch; but there again I'm more used to recovering wayward rally-cars that have gone off into the flora than being recovered myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Land Rover does a kit for the Td5 which allows you to mount a hitch on the crossmember. It includes a spreader plate and reinforcing bracket. Like many Genuine Parts items it's not cheap, but it's quick and easy to fit. Phil. Phil, do you have any idea of a part number for that kit by any chance ? Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 might be this bit http://lrcat.com/31/4/52566 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Mo, apologies for not responding sooner, I've been away. I couldn't haven given you the part numbers but happily the omniscient Ralph has! That is indeed the bit and it works well for me. All the best, Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Hunter Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The OP stated that he has JATE rings. What are the limitations with these for recovery? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I believe JATE rings were designed for attachment of the lifting strops used when moving vehicles as an underslung load beneath a helicopter. The army does use them for recovery, although we were taught not to on the driving course I did 30 years ago. I'm sure someone will be along to explain any technical issues, however, the main issue I've found is practical. I find it much easier to pop a recovery rope in the jaw of a tow hitch on the crossmember than to get under the vehicle and fix a strop to rear JATE rings which tend to be especially hard to reach when the vehicle's bogged down. Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailysleaze Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 After some more research, they both seem to have been used with no dramas. The swivel one looks like it's made for pre-Td5 as it has a sandwich plate that it screws into. Here's some other good reading: http://www.defender2.net/forum/post213250.html http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=2690 (Lots of photos missing but enough to illustrate) http://forum.landrovernet.com/showthread.php/158018-Rear-recovery-point-on-07-110-Standard-x-member-strong-enough I think I will try to get a spreader plate and use a Dixon bate ball with pin eventually. In the meantime i've bought the fixed loop recovery point. Thanks for the ideas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW8IZR Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 This is how its done: gulp! Just a reminder of the forces involved... and you might end up on the end of a rope with a "profeshinul" at the other end! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Good God ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 IMHO cuddas videos are a public service, very informative videos of what can and does go wrong all from the safety of your arm chair! Will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Hunter Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Thanks for the reply, Phil. I agree on the accessability, or lack of, especially in mud, but I'm relieved that nobody has pointed out any weaknesses with JATE rings for recovery. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Use a bridle with JATE rings, it spreads the load between the 2 rings/chassis rails, There's a few threads in here about JATE ring use & a drawing of how I fit a tow rope with a bridle. if you suspect the vehicle might get stuck fit the recovery rope/strop before going into the sticky stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Yup, got the number, Thanks Phil. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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