ByCamelToVietnam Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Hi all, Having some very annoying starting issues at the moment. Problem: - Turn the key to start = Click (Lights come on as they should on the dash) - No turn/noise from the starter motor Recent changes: - Replaced clutch master, slave and hose - Have a history of 3 starters in about 3 years. What i've done since: - Taken starter motor out and cleaned and replaced solenoid (note top left SM thread onto engine has gone, so replaced with M6 until I remove the engine at some pint to rethread) - Cleaned all earths and connections - Tested SM bridging the live solenoid directly to the motor connection = starter spins but does not engage to start her up. Has been going on for over a week now and cant find a solution. Now very frustrating! Cheers Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Is the little wire going to the starter solenoid showing 12v at the starter? is it getting a good connection? (White with red trace wire in the photo in the Link) http://www.landyzone.co.uk/photopost/data/500/medium/Starter_motor_004.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByCamelToVietnam Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 Just checked and received 12.2v when turning the key. Seems to be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco-Ron Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Is the battery nice and strong? Doesn't take much for there to be not enough power to throw the gear into the ring gear..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByCamelToVietnam Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 Been alternating between 2 battery's one v new and charging in between. Have just tested motor out of the truck and works as it should and kicks hard. Leaves me thinking it's the wiring from the battery to the solenoid...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByCamelToVietnam Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 I have found a stray brown wire coming out of the starter relay which seems a bit suspect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco-Ron Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Someone has used it as a feed..... discard and sleeve/wrap the wire...... if the starter works not in the truck. Put a jump lead from battery negative to the bolt holding the starter on and try again. ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Oh dear, a Bodgelok! Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 He used the S word!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByCamelToVietnam Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 Ron ill give it a try tomorrow, fingers crossed! All i can say is it wasnt me boys haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Oh dear, a Bodgelok! Mo perhaps we should add 'Bodgelok' to the swear filter, wonder what it would be replaced with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffR Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 May also be worth looking at the ignition switch in the steering column behind the key, we had a similar problem with a V8 that turned out to be the connections in the ignition pack (Part no PRC8230 for a 200 Tdi) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I'll second Jeff's comment I also had a starting problem turned out to be the ignition switch. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByCamelToVietnam Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 Well simply putting the unit in after testing it and its working yay.. very odd considering ive put it in several times and on this occasion it works? However, there's still the same problem which i was hoping to eradicate which is the slow start. When i turn the key it just seems a bit sluggish, not as instant as it use to be. Any tips on how to improve this? I have cleaned all the earths but maybe worth trying again! Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 clean the battery cable terminals & battery posts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco-Ron Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Try the jump lead idea. ... possibly worth adding another earth direct to the starter bolt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Bodgelok 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByCamelToVietnam Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 Ive cleaned the battery connections etc.. = didnt make it start any faster, now the dreaded grinding on startup has started again! Also tried running a direct earth from starter to negative on the battery ( was fairly low amp wire?) = same again, still slow. Am going to go for a drive to charge the battery up as 5 startups is starting to drain the battery. Will try the direct jump leads from starter to battery after! thanks for the suggestions, hopefully ill find this nagging fault! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 you should have 2 main earth cables see photo's below 1 from battery -ve to transfer box/main gearbox joint 1 from alternator/PAS pump bracket to chassis part of left engine mount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneandtwo Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I have found with two different 300tdi defenders now that the crimped / soldered terminals on the earth cable has come adrift and only partially makes contact causing poor starting. I would replace the cables with fresh cables and terminals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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