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Just had the V11 reminder through from our friends at DVLA and the renewal for 12 months was £300 when I received it a week ago, I have just renewed it online and yes it's now changed to £400 :rtfm: . What happend to the rule that Labour would only apply their new Road Tax rules to new vehicles not ones which are 12 months old (bought mine may 07).

I wouldn't even need a bloody Land Rover if the roads where I lived weren't like farm tracks and they actually spent my raod tax on them.

Please please dont vote this government in again, they are an absolute shambles....

dont even start me on gas guzzling polluters!!!!!!! :angry2:

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What's your definition of a gas guzzler ??? (Did this start you????)

I don't consider my 4.6 to be a gas guzzler....

Several reasons:

- I don't run the car on "gas"... I use Unleaded Petrol

- I believe that 14mpg is good from that engine the way I drive it

- I don't go to Chelsea in my 110

- The 110 doesn't actually "drink" the fuel... It burns it as part of the combustion process to make it nice and loud, go Vrooooooom and makes me smile....

Funny but my VED annually still under £200..... Therefore I conclude my vehicle is less of a polluting beast than yours...:)

Neil

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What's your definition of a gas guzzler ??? (Did this start you????)

I don't consider my 4.6 to be a gas guzzler....

Several reasons:

- I don't run the car on "gas"... I use Unleaded Petrol

- I believe that 14mpg is good from that engine the way I drive it

- I don't go to Chelsea in my 110

- The 110 doesn't actually "drink" the fuel... It burns it as part of the combustion process to make it nice and loud, go Vrooooooom and makes me smile....

Funny but my VED annually still under £200..... Therefore I conclude my vehicle is less of a polluting beast than yours...:)

Neil

Coat on.... Door open.....

Neil you've got me all wrong, I havn't a problem with the vehicles it s the people that moan about them being Gas guzzlers!!!

ps my 1959 series 2 has no tax therefore I conclude my other landrover vehicle is less of a polluting beast than yours...:)

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If you don't like it, buy an older car and pay £180 per year or even £0 if it's tax exempt - you're also reducing your carbon footprint by re-using an already made vehicle. :P

I doubt the government's reasons are purely environmental, but they do unwittingly help the argument :rolleyes:

Both my gas-guzzling 4x4's are 100% recycled too :lol:

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What happend to the rule that Labour would only apply their new Road Tax rules to new vehicles not ones which are 12 months old (bought mine may 07).

It was a know fact, 12 months ago, that the Band G vehicles on £ 300 would rise to £ 400 in March 08,

Why do you think i surrendered my old VED disc in Feb, (with 3 ?? months to run) and put 12 months on at the old £300 rate,,

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If you don't like it, buy an older car and pay £180 per year or even £0 if it's tax exempt - you're also reducing your carbon footprint by re-using an already made vehicle. :P

I doubt the government's reasons are purely environmental, but they do unwittingly help the argument :rolleyes:

Both my gas-guzzling 4x4's are 100% recycled too :lol:

I'm moaning about the Gorvernment not the Land Rover, and Ive already got a tax exempt Series 2 anyway. Perhaps I'll just drive that instead and get rid of the new one

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If you don't like it, buy an older car and pay £180 per year or even £0 if it's tax exempt - you're also reducing your carbon footprint by re-using an already made vehicle. :P

I doubt the government's reasons are purely environmental, but they do unwittingly help the argument :rolleyes:

Both my gas-guzzling 4x4's are 100% recycled too :lol:

as an owner of older more rubbish cars, i would concur.

what is concerning though is the second hand market for these cars. the initial buyer may not be too fussed by £400 road tax, but maybe 10 years down the line nobody is interested in buying one because of the cost of tax vs value of car. could lead to a premature end to a vehicle's life because of taxation, which seems slightly wasteful.

the older system of paying tax on the fuel you burn would seem to tie up better with environmental concerns. the more fuel you burn, the more emissions you create and therefore the more you have to pay

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i had thaught that commercial vehicles were still on a £180 tax band?

if so you should have baught a hard top :P

"the older system of paying tax on the fuel you burn" surely the new system being based on the co2 emissions (which is largely related to the amount of fuel you burn) is exactly this? the older pre-2001 system didnt take fuel use into account at all bar its two blanket categories of <1.55L and >1.55L

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i had thaught that commercial vehicles were still on a £180 tax band?

if so you should have baught a hard top :P

"the older system of paying tax on the fuel you burn" surely the new system being based on the co2 emissions (which is largely related to the amount of fuel you burn) is exactly this? the older pre-2001 system didnt take fuel use into account at all bar its two blanket categories of <1.55L and >1.55L

sorry i meant fuel duty was on the fuel you burned and road tax was a flat-ish rate.

even if your car taxed at £400 wasn't switched on at all during the year and therefore emmitted nothing, it still faces the higher band of tax. whereas you could do 100000miles in your honda insight or smart diesel and pay nothing.

whilst road tax is helpful for effectively paying for a parking space on the public highway for a year and keepig down the number of cars laying about at the side of the road, its basis on emmisions is somewhat unfair. you are taxed for what your car could emit rather than what it actually does emit in reality.

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what is concerning though is the second hand market for these cars. the initial buyer may not be too fussed by £400 road tax, but maybe 10 years down the line nobody is interested in buying one because of the cost of tax vs value of car.

But 10 years down the line,, who's to say they will not have tinkered with the system, so everyone with a larger vehicle/engine/emission output,, is paying the same, regardless of vehicle age !!

The Sport puts out 352g/Km, but as it is before the March 2006? first reg date,, its just over half the price in VED, but puts out near twice the emissions of the 110 !!

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what is concerning though is the second hand market for these cars. the initial buyer may not be too fussed by £400 road tax, but maybe 10 years down the line nobody is interested in buying one because of the cost of tax vs value of car. could lead to a premature end to a vehicle's life because of taxation, which seems slightly wasteful.

That is the idea, I'm sure.

In years to come you won't have older, bigger polluting vehicles because no-one will want to fork out a pile of cash for VED. If you have that sort of money you'll buy a newer one and the third or fourth hand market will almost vanish for big old cars that are within the new road tax rules. It'll be bad enough will all the old electronics they have if something goes wrong but the VED cost will just put people off.

It comes back to the fact that emissions data is used without any thought of production pollution or the actual milage a vehicle does.

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You guys should be happy. On the continent the roadtax rates are much higher. (Netherlands up to 1500 pounds for a 110, Belgium around 750 pounds) And all that for the exclusive right to stand in line on the motorway every morning and evening...

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Neil you've got me all wrong, I havn't a problem with the vehicles it s the people that moan about them being Gas guzzlers!!!

ps my 1959 series 2 has no tax therefore I conclude my other landrover vehicle is less of a polluting beast than yours...:)

Darn it... How good is that !

They had much better technology way back in 1959.

So it begs the question what all this electronic jiggery pokery is doing these days.. If they could build and future proof a car so much in 1959 so that it's amongst the least polluting cars on the planet by Govt. measures today, maybe we should ask for all car manufacturers to switch back to the old ways of doing it....

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The reason Labour taxed vehicles is because there is not much more left to tax. Our military are involved in a two conflicts far from home, these are costing billions. There is a global credit meltdown en route, so to tax the working class more on earnings could result in more people opting for benefits.

By using the "green message" and taxing vehicles, Gordon Brown knows that most citizens will take it on the chin, no matter how unjustified it is.

We depend on our cars, so we'll cough up: Result! This was the view of an independant tax specialist on Radio 2 after Mr Darling's budget announcement

We can winge as much as we want, but rest assured if the Tories won power in the next election, these road tax structures we loathe so very much will remain in place. As the months pass into years we'll be used to paying it without complaining, thus giving the elected government another window of opportunity to raise these taxes once again without facing too much of a backlash.

The issue is lack of unity among the population in England. If we all stood together and made a point, perhaps the government would think twice before taking the onus of raising car and fuel taxes without consultation

In 2006 South Africa's government sugegsted removing all undroadworthy and untaxed taxis from the roads. The taxi drivers protested by blockading major motorways. The government almost did a U turn but in the end made a huge compromise, today those old dangerous taxis still operate on South Africa's roads.

I am not saying that running dangerous and untaxed vehicles is right, but if the British population showed one tenth of the solidarity that the S.A. taxi drivers displayed, Mr Brown and co. would certainly think twice before "thinking for us"

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We should get all the Landys together and block all the major roads...
i all up for that, lets block the a1 and the m6. or we can just get some old scrappers and leave them blocking somewhere? something needs to stop. im paying nearly 120 p a liter now. :angry:
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I have a 1987 truck cab - but with 300tdi i put in and, a 2004 discovery 3 -new to me but second hand- congestion will be 25 dsoon and then there's emissions in 2010- i do not kno wif i think ken is money making or actually doing a good thing - Boris is a journo first and so wil not be a good mayor -would s norris have been better?

The gas guzzling stuff is simply rhetoric to divert our attention and find someone to scapegoat - i do drive in chelsea and was three 20 minutes ago but the key thing is this governmnet for whom i voted , but regret, have tried to change the nature of the UK in 10 years by a 'criminlaising ideology' = if you object you are bad- if you agree you are virtuous. They make Maggie look almost sweet smelling - she was cruel but not entirely hypocritical-

BUT - if we do not want to agree to demonisisng 4x4's, conkers, britsih bulldog etc then we need to get togther in some lobby

In 4x4's there is - G.L.A.S.S. and other groups who well and gently fight for rights

we need more of this

whining is what a gearbox should do not a human

I don't know where to start but someone out there will

Sean's post, which i have just read is true - if we do not stand- we fail..........

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I seem to be better off this month thanks to the budget..

I would think carefully before spending over £20k on a Puma engined machine now. A really mint TD5 might be half that. The increase in Tax might be affordable to those who can afford to trade in their Defenders every 3 years to get a new one but the whole life cost of owning a Puma engined model is going to be considerably more than a Pre 1st March 2001, but not significantly more than those TD5 bought after 26th March 2006.

Does this mean that people will start spending large sums of money refurbishing old defenders rather than buying new? I am sure that £220 a year won't convince most to do so.

Isn't there some loop hole that means a New Defender can be registered as a goods vehicle and be charged less?

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Isn't there some loop hole that means a New Defender can be registered as a goods vehicle and be charged less?

Buy a County Hard top, buy seats for it and put in side windows etc and hope you dont get caught.

Ben

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i all up for that, lets block the a1 and the m6. or we can just get some old scrappers and leave them blocking somewhere? something needs to stop. im paying nearly 120 p a liter now. :angry:

I thought that most days they were grid-locked anyway with idiots crashing all over the 3,4,5 or 6 lanes :lol:

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The difference in VED isn't much compared with overall running costs at >£1.20/L

I don't think the extra couple of hundred quid is really going to figure next to fuel costs. If your old V8 is running 20mpg and a more modern engine is running 30mpg then in 10k miles you'll lose £900 a year.

Why then am I getting less mpg out of my Puma than I was from the Td5?

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