iomlt Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 A very good friend of mine has recently purchased a load of terrafirma suspension parts. 5" plus shocks and mounts to suit. I know terra haven't had the plus 5 shocks long so i wondered how they decided how to mount them. On inspection they look 99% like gwyn lewis challenge type shock mounts. The kit I run is a full package kit from gwyn with old man emu shocks and spring. How can a terrafirma basically copy Gwyn Lewis products and get away with it? So in my opinion if your going to by plus 5 shocks and the likes go with gwyn lewis. my feelings are if your buying terra(rubbish) your supporting a pirate type copying company. Its wrong to pirate cd's / dvds and the like and to me there is no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I'm sure Gwyn or Rob will be along soon to confirm this - but Yes - they are a rip-off. I believe that they originally bought from Gwyn, but wanted a bigger profit margin than he could manage. So they just had their own made as an exact copy. Sound familiar anybody? Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuntman Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Surely copyright must come into this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iomlt Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 I believe that they originally bought from Gwyn, but wanted a bigger profit margin than he could manage. So they just had their own made as an exact copy. Sound familiar anybody?Si Bast##ds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1G UP Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Surely copyright must come into this? yeh right. you try getting copy right on a product like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 No, copyright will do nothing for you as it does not occur automatically. Protecting anything like this is very hard and/or expensive..... Also, there is a limit to how many different ways you can mount a +5 shock using standard bolt holes and axle brackets - most of the mount dimensions are dictated by the nature of where they have to mount and the shock open/closed length. Although the rear shock mounts look similar (probably the easiest part of Gwyn's kit to develop) no one, to the best of my knowledge, has 'copied' his dislocation system (very distinctive and will have required much more work). In the same way, I'm sure Land Rover would far prefer you bought genuine only parts I think very few of us as customers would be happy with that. TBH, if I wanted Gwyn's system I'd always go to Gwyn and if I wanted Terra Ferma I'd go to one of their retailers. Si, IMHO it is different to your situation. I think you'd agree the design of a backplate is the easy bit - it was the caliper that was hard.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iomlt Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 Again they have tried to do this by the looks of things and VERY VERY BADLY http://www.terrafirma4x4.com/products_php....rp=22#spotlight rough asses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicks90 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 in there defence, how many different ways can you reinvent the wheel? they see the possibility of a bit of market share for people wanting raised shock mounts to mount much longer travel shocks - but arent prepared/cant afford OME and GL equipment. So they make a bracket that sits higher up than the standard LR one for less money. Maybe this is cos its made badly, uses rubbish materials etc etc etc buts that the thing with anything LR, you get what you pay for in terms of quality. How many different ways can you design such a simple piece of bolt on equipment. Same goes for the dislocation cone with spring catcher. Its a simple and sensible design for a simple problem. Can you think of any other ways of combating the spring falling so far away as to go below a standard dislocation cone? (other than the obvious one of putting the cone on the axle end - which is a totally more sensible and cheaper way of doing it anyway!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 All Sodding rip off merchants make me sick I won't buy anthing from people who blatanltly rip off designs, and Nick,Gwynn done the work to get the design right now they are feeding off his work, how is that seen as ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobbymogs Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 its funny you should mention Gwyn's stuff as i know he is really pi$$ed about it, from what Gwyn has said he was asked to supply his product to numerous different firms but they were trying to screw him on price (and i personally think that his stuff is very reasonably priced any way) but he wouldnt budge that much so they went out and had it copied in some far away country for a bag of rice and a clove of garlic not good at all Nobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smo Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 As with products that have been copied in the past i shall continue to support those who designed them, this includes products like Si's X-Brake and Gwyns suspension mounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderman Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Ive seen the Terrible Firma Mounts in the flesh and to be honest the welding is disgusting ,No penetration just a snotty bead sat ontop of the workpiece . Gwyns kit is by far superior . Hes the Innovator , Terrafirma the immitators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 From their websh*te Through continual development, testing and customer feedback we strive to produce the most comprehensive, best value and best performing range of Land Rover off-road accessories in the World. Maybe they should change it to : Through continual development, ripping off other peoples works design and inspiration we purely nick - saying we have done testing and ignoring customer feedback we strive to produce the most comprehensive ripped off copies of great performing range of Land Rover off-road accessories in the World. Why not just paint them orange and go the whole 9 yards ? Frankly they should be ****ing ashamed of themselves, unfortunately having no morales they won't worry about shafting another business, all the outstanding qualities of Scrapion. The Scrapion King is dead long live the New Scum Scrapion king Another sad day Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Be thankful for independent websites where we can discuss this rather than the mag linked corporate kiss assites Terrible Firma seem not to have a Contact us on their website or I'd send them a link to here so they can see what a site with 10K> members think. Vote with your wallets Gywnn is a top bloke Like SimonR innovators and not rip off copy merchants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisLanca Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 This makes me sick! Gwyn doesn't deserv this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibexman Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I made some enquiries rear mounts from frogs are 10 quid dearer per mount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobbymogs Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 it gets better Gwyn gave me a wake up call this morning and was talking about bits and bobs then he chirped up that some guy phoned him yesterday asking for advice on how to fit his kit so 30 mins later something sounded wrong so he said something on the lines of the colour so this guy replies mine are gold.................. it turns out that he had given advice on how to fit his copied kit to someone who had bought it off terrafirma and didnt now how to fit it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldy Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 As someone who is very new to the whole Land Rover scene, reading threads like this is a MAJOR eye opener, apart from the glossy adverts it's hard to determine what is right and what is wrong ..not only in quality/reliability but also the ethics of who designed/slaved away/made it against the far flung corps who do a tiddle poor copy Our disco is due for a slight lift new shocks etc this year and I now know who I will be talking to Many thanks Baldy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 What is the connection between terra firma and frogs island? Or are they the same thing? Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Agents for Terrafirma? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMc Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 What is the connection between terra firma and frogs island? Or are they the same thing?Daan They're both part of the Allmakes4x4 empire - From http://www.terrafirma4x4.com/aboutus.php ABOUT TERRAFIRMAThe Terrafirma range of Land Rover accessories has been created by Eddie Priscott, former MD of leading off road preparation specialist Frogs Island 4x4 and now Off-Road Accessories Technical Director at Allmakes 4x4 Ltd, one of the World's leading Land Rover parts and accessories wholesalers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 That about sums up the ****s nicely The few times I have ever dealt with that bunch = wallet emptying enthusiats a la Scrapion school of chram and customer service stylee not interested in any form of service other than a smile as they removed your money Have no time for them, stopped dealing with them years ago and went elsewhere actually anywhere else where service was more genuine .....and less trouser and pants tugging down time Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 From http://www.terrafirma4x4.com/aboutus.php What I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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