Chris Davies Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Hi I'm looking to get a second hand Ifor Williams flatbed for general duties but also want to be able to fit a landrover onto it so I am looking at the 6'6 wide models either 12' of 14' long. Question is will I regret getting a 12' one rather than 14' or is 12' ok to take any model of landy. 12' obviously has the advantage of taking less space. What have you got/used. Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatboy Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I've got a trailer with a 12ft bed and it is great for the carrying the 90 or Series SWB's. However, although I can get a Discovery or RR Classic on it, they overhang the back and its not balanced and is unstable, therefore unsafe to tow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Buy the biggest trailer you can fit in the storage space!! My 90 looks silly on our trailer, but it means we can use it to move just about any vehicle should the need arise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trr777 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Hi, I use a 14ft. Ifor Willims, carried allsorts from RRCs to logs to scrap, they tow perfectly regardless of whats on it IMO, if you buy the smaller one you'll only regret it at some point!, go on you know it makes sense!!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractorboy16 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 got a 14 and a 16 and i would actually say the 16 tows better, is slightly newer which may have some reason!!!!! the 14 is on the old heavy duty tyres however an is a true work horse. They are superb. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Thats my 90's chassis on a 10ft, and the wheels only really go on with not much to spare, front and rear is overhanging quite a bit. A 12 would be comfortable for a 90 i suspect, but i think you'd want a 14 for larger landrovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrfarmer Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 14" minimum if you want to carry any land rover 16" is grate for carrying disco's and RR but thay are a long trailer for running around for odd jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymorris Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I use a 16' ifor williams and it's great for moving range rovers/discoverys get it loaded right and they tow mint so I'd recommend a 16' if you've got the room to store it safely to stop it getting pinched Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davies Posted March 2, 2010 Author Share Posted March 2, 2010 Hi, thanks for all the replys, I think I will regret getting a 12' trailer and 14' is the way to go 16' is too big I think. I will be towing it with a 90 200tdi and the likelyhood is that it will only be a SWB varient I will ever tow but the 14' will give me the option should I ever need to tow anything bigger (disco or RR for example), don't know if a 90 would be up to towing a discovery though. Anyway back to my ebay search. Thanks again Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 no reason why any 90 cannot tow to it's designed max towing weight of 3.5tons on a overrun braked trailer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zardos Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 no reason why any 90 cannot tow to it's designed max towing weight of 3.5tons on a overrun braked trailer. The only reason why I can think a 90 cannot tow a discovery on a trailer is the grey area of the law on towing % weight. It is recommended that the weight of the tow is no more than 85% of the tow vehicle kerb weight, it has been known for some police to take anything thing more than 100% to be dangerous driving. So a disco + trailer weight is likely to be more than a 90 kerb weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 That's crazy If the vehicle is rated to tow it, the trailer is rated to carry it, and the driver is licensed to tow it then there shouldn't be any issue. I'd like to see them get a prosecution for being within the limits set out in the vehicle's manuals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 the 85% is a guideline not a law for caravan towers AFAIK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 I would think stopping a 90 from 60mph with 3.5 tons on the back could be interesting without things changing ends, but that is another matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 The only reason why I can think a 90 cannot tow a discovery on a trailer is the grey area of the law on towing % weight. It is recommended that the weight of the tow is no more than 85% of the tow vehicle kerb weight, it has been known for some police to take anything thing more than 100% to be dangerous driving. So a disco + trailer weight is likely to be more than a 90 kerb weight. I guess the cops could have a field-day with the trucks on the M6! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrfarmer Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Hi, thanks for all the replys, I think I will regret getting a 12' trailer and 14' is the way to go 16' is too big I think. I will be towing it with a 90 200tdi and the likelyhood is that it will only be a SWB varient I will ever tow but the 14' will give me the option should I ever need to tow anything bigger (disco or RR for example), don't know if a 90 would be up to towing a discovery though. Anyway back to my ebay search. Thanks again Chris i tow 3.5tons of cattle i don't go over 50mph no problems happy to tow a disco on a trailer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 I tow close to 3.5 tons of beer including tare weight of the tank and trailer on my 110. I got stoped in a Police/VSOA/HMR&C check the other week and they were fine with it. VSOA were bothered that the trailer was plated evenly loaded, the load was secure and the brakes, lights etc worked and checked the weight on their pads. The police were bothered about the insurance/licenced to tow and checked the VIN against the plate. HMRC dipped the tank and sent me on my way, There were a few rumblings "about tasting the load!!" but nothing about being 80% of defender just if the trailer was up to it, and was not overloaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 VSOA were bothered that the trailer was plated evenly loaded, the load was secure and the brakes, lights etc worked and checked the weight on their pads. No questions about Tachographs? I assume you were on a commercial journey? ...or do you simply have a drink problem? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 No questions about Tachographs? I assume you were on a commercial journey? ...or do you simply have a drink problem? Chris Yes they also checked the tacho, although as I had been on the road for less than an hour they really were not that bothered about it. We have one of the little car stereo type ones fitted although the radio reception is C*** on it!! (when I say my 110 i meant my work one, I fix it, pay for it, put diesel in it so feels like mine!!!) oh and yes I have a drink problem, one of our tanks has sprung a leak in the cooling jacket last night so need to find somewhere to put 2000 pints of beer!!! so in my book thats a drink problem!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Definately go for the longer bed. Mine has a 16ft bed, and i've had lse's and 109's on it without a problem It also gives space for extra luggage when my offroader is on i.e. spare tyres G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco_al Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 this was my disco on an ifor williams when i fetched it last year used the same trailer the other day to take a van to devon, and it towed beautifully at a steady 60 down the motorway... IIRC that's a 16 footer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robhybrid Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I use a 16ft ivor to move my challenge truck around and with 2 spare tyres on the front the trailer looks nicely fully loaded. The extra length allows me to strap the back axle backwards at a nice angle and the front axle forward. A mate of mine uses a 12ft trailer but I think it always looks overloaded. I have done all of howling wolf/ awdc series 3 years consecutively and done a fair amount of towing using a landcruiser and a discovery as a tow vehicle. I would only sell my 16ft ivor to replace it with another 16ft ivor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 The only reason why I can think a 90 cannot tow a discovery on a trailer is the grey area of the law on towing % weight. It is recommended that the weight of the tow is no more than 85% of the tow vehicle kerb weight, it has been known for some police to take anything thing more than 100% to be dangerous driving. So a disco + trailer weight is likely to be more than a 90 kerb weight. Back on this I was just checking out the lighting regulations for my overland trailer build and found this which relates to weight of a trailer http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/requirementsfortrailers Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 the 85% is a guideline not a law for caravan towers AFAIK. I've seen that on Top Gear - one caravan on top of the other, but I wouldn't want to make a tower any taller than two 'vans on the public road I think, unless the bottom van was on a commercial trailer chassis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 I've seen that on Top Gear - one caravan on top of the other, but I wouldn't want to make a tower any taller than two 'vans on the public road I think, unless the bottom van was on a commercial trailer chassis. towers as in people who tow not towers as in tall buildings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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