jon-t-08 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 hi going to make my swing away carrier as any one ever made one coupel of pic would be good thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 First make yourself two pivots points, using 50mm box with one side cut out to form a U works well, epecially if you weld washers top and bottom to beaf it up. Mount the top one so that a horizontal length of 50x25mm lines up with the tailgate catch on the nearside, fit it with a catch for said tailgate antiluce. Connect the bottom hinge to the top rail with another length of 50x25 box, and add a vertical brace near the hinges. Fit a rear door carrier somewhere in the middle, send for galvanizing, job done. I'll take some piccys when i get home, i owe lots of people piccys now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UdderlyOffroad Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Apparently this is a 'Scrapiron' design (no idea, they pre-date my involvement with Landies), but the following linkie has lots of helpful piccies: http://www.extreme4x4.co.uk/acatalog/REAR_WHEEL_CARRIERS.html Also, check this chap's thread out (it's on a Toyota, but again lots of useful piccies): http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=56385 Both links saved in my favourites under 'future projects' HTH, Matt (Armchair fabricator) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Here's mine. It started life as a Britpart swingaway, but the welding failed in 4 places over time, so I threw away the catch and modiied it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Never mind the "swing away" bit. I think that somebody needs to look at a means of lifting the spare off the ground on the carrier, then lift both into place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbs Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Mike, Perhaps Si at X-eng could help you out with that sort of thing? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Train Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Never mind the "swing away" bit. I think that somebody needs to look at a means of lifting the spare off the ground on the carrier, then lift both into place. Spare wheel winch? Should be easy enough to fit one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UdderlyOffroad Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Have you got a roofrack mike? How about some kind of de-rigable lifting eye to support a small block and tackle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Have you got a roofrack mike? How about some kind of de-rigable lifting eye to support a small block and tackle? Your six years behind the times suggesting that. Done and dusted, posted on a few forums. However I'm sure a spare wheel carrier that will have the wheel fitted THEN lifted into place would be a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon-t-08 Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 Here's mine. It started life as a Britpart swingaway, but the welding failed in 4 places over time, so I threw away the catch and modiied it.... nice . want to make one the opens with the door will be a bit tricky getting the position right so the door will open all the way without the wheel hiting the body Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Roberts Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I haven't finished mine yet but this is what I brought for the hinge - shame that the shipping was almost as much as the item itself. The upside is that it's really good quality piece of kit. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tire-carrier-hinge-kit-swing-out-away-pivot-point-rock-crawler-Jeep-CJ-YJ-TJ-NEW-/190646889116?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c6370aa9c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrfarmer Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?app=galleryℑ=6536 this is my one i made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon-t-08 Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 good good going to make one that opens with the door but think its gonna be a bit tricky getting the measurements right so the door opens all the way without hiting the body. should be starting it soon just need to get the materials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobotMan Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I remember seeing a big wheeled yank jeep that had a strap that went under the tyre circumfrentially on the deck and was then wound up with a tiny ratchetting winch and removable handle into a carrier. It held it tight against the top. Lift and lock in one relatively light package. the carrier was just a light perimeter frame that swung away for access. A pin went through the centre for safety and to lock it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete3000 Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 disco3 use a windy upy downy cable winch thing, so you don't have to lift wheels in and out of wheel well. The major fail though is the windy thing is, guess where? Yep in the boot floor under all the shopping/suitcases etc. Add the fact you then have to get under the back of the truck to release the cable and wind the flat back up there and it's a real bimmer. If Si could design a remote lowerer raiser for the disco3/rr sport etc sure there would be a few takers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyninety Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Surely a standard Defender ratchet jack type affair could be mounted on a swingaway rear wheel carrier, and used to lower the wheel almost to the floor making it much easier to handle. It would take some ratcheting but it would make life easier for people with bad backs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 A sketch of just such a thing - from 2004! I drew this after a competition where my 35" tyre came off the rim & filled up with mud. It took two of us to lift it on to the wheel carrier! However it is equally applicable to what you are describing above. The wheel carrier uses a short knuckle bar (left of drawing) to connect it to the door. If you get the length of this just right, when you fully open the door, the knuckle goes over-centre and locks the door in the open position. To close, you just move the door, which pops the knuckle back over centre and it closes normally. It uses a ratchet strap to pull the two (telescopic) halves of the top bar together. As it's drawn, the last part of this motion engages the carrier with the knuckle attached to the door. On looking at it again, it might be better if you raise the carrier above the knuckle, then lower the pin into the knuckle bush - so the knuckle is partially responsible for keeping up that end should the ratchet strap fail. This should make lifting a 100kg wheel rather easy! It's also easy to build! Why have I not built it? I have a drop down tail gate! I like LR Farmers idea above of using Track Rod End ball joints. They might just have enough offset for my idea. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyninety Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Si, Your idea with a length of threaded bar instead of the ratchet strap would be a lot more secure and make lifting it very slick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Si, Your idea with a length of threaded bar instead of the ratchet strap would be a lot more secure and make lifting it very slick! If rather slow?! Maybe a threaded bar plus a window winder motor? Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Now with the treaded bar idea. We're going back to tipper trucks with a wind up handle and a screw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadget Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Are swing away wheel carriers really worth the hassle? I know the idea is supposedly to save the rear door hinges, but my 110 came from special vehicles without the wheel carrier on the rear door and the hinges are still buggered anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete3000 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 If rather slow?! Maybe a threaded bar plus a window winder motor? Si or a gate automation 12v telescopic ram, same thing but shielded from mud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Are swing away wheel carriers really worth the hassle? I know the idea is supposedly to save the rear door hinges, but my 110 came from special vehicles without the wheel carrier on the rear door and the hinges are still buggered anyway. Only having done over 120,000 miles in mine. All I can say is I'm happy with both my Mantec swing away and my rear door hinges. I must admit to standing on the spare wheel to fill the top box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 or a gate automation 12v telescopic ram, same thing but shielded from mud? Good thinking that man! I've used these: http://www.ebay.co.u...tuator&_sacat=0 and similar sattelite dish actuators in a number of projects (including adjustable height suspension). They are much lower cost than most other linear actuators and pretty well built as they are designed for outdoor use. Although they are rated at 24v (mostly), they run happily enough on 12v and could be powered off the tow-socket! If you were to replace the studs that the wheel mounts on to with a lower hook facing down and a peg at the top, arranged that when you start to lift the tyre, the top peg is pulled upwards, the same arrangement could be used to secure the tyre in place too. A bit like this: So long as you could lock the whole thing off, it would be more secure than a simple nut! I can see another project looming! Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozsug Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 I can see another project looming! Si X Spare ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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