MECCANO Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Guys, i looking for some guidance. I'm trying to gather info on the technicalities of changing a land rover body type. In particular i'm wondering what the issues might be with trying to rebody a 110 pickup into a CSW. Is it just a paper work exercise with the dvla, or can it get a lot more messy? I'm sure some ones had experience of this, and can tell me if its even worth considering. Thanks for advance Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Depends on age of vehicle as it got complicated when the London Low Emission Zone came in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECCANO Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 i'd probably be looking at an early, 1980's defender. 2.5n/a era! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECCANO Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 Change that, if it was a petrol it would negate the Lez issue ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 As I understand it before the LEZ came in to being you just asked the DVLA nicely and they did, however after the LEZ came in they didn't like the number of requests. So if your Defender was produced after 1998 (I think) they would do it only if you had a letter from Land Rover stating that it left the factory as the type you wanted it changed to, if older than 1998 they wouldn't change it. Which I think is madness, you have to tell them if you change the colour but if you change the body type they don't want to know. There are always exceptions as the DVLA is apparently staffed by humans and each decision is subject to their understanding of the rules. Now I now you are saying a petrol which the LEZ doesn't apply to but I doubt the DVLA will care .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Worst comes you'll just have to iva it they can't ignore that. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECCANO Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 Cheers guys. At present the idea is just vapour. You potentially, just saved me a lot of head ache. Sounds like im best off finding a rolling v8 csw Chassis that isnt completely knackered. Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Some v5's of vehicles I've owned have not explicitly stated the body type - my current 90 just states "land rover", so perhaps all is not lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 In case you didn't know, the chassis may actually be different too - certainly the Series 3 pickup chassis is different to the CSW one, so not a nuts & bolts change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Some v5's of vehicles I've owned have not explicitly stated the body type - my current 90 just states "land rover", so perhaps all is not lost A lot don't Lewis. Which is really only a problem if it's diesel you are unfortunate enough to have to travel into London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 What's the deal with the LEZ then? This is the first I've really heard about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 If it's a commercial vehicle and you don't meet the emissions standards (anything pre TD5 iirc) then you have to pay £100 a day to drive inside the LEZ. If it's a private vehicle you don't have to pay, however the commercial/private is based on the V5 and not on the use of the vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 So does land rover = commercial unless it's a station wagon then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Yep, you have to be a station wagon or petrol engined or historic vehicle (there are other exemptions as well like showmans vehicle) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=jon= Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 As I understand it before the LEZ came in to being you just asked the DVLA nicely and they did, however after the LEZ came in they didn't like the number of requests. So if your Defender was produced after 1998 (I think) they would do it only if you had a letter from Land Rover stating that it left the factory as the type you wanted it changed to, if older than 1998 they wouldn't change it. I think that only applies if you are trying to change the designation - most land rovers are registered as '4x4 Light Utility' which is a commercial designation, and therefore subject to the LEZ. A factory CSW would likely be registered as something like '4x4 Estate', which is a private designation so not bound by the LEZ. If you try and change a car from 4x4 Light Utility to Estate they make you jump through hoops as they think you are trying to dodge the LEZ fees - but if you changed from pick up to light utility or just changed the number of seats it would likely be a load easier as the LEZ status wouldn't change.. I had a simolar issue with an imported Toyota Surf Diesel - the V5 said 4x4 Light Utility and they wouldn't change it without a written letter from Toyota saying that it was a passenger vehicle, which Toyota wouldn't provide as it was a grey import... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacr2man Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 with LR the original SW are designated as such by the VIN 7th character IIRC , depending on age of vehicle and seatbelt requirements at original registration , may cause you headaches as well. LR dont list a chassis for sw , just variations based on engine . There are brackets specific to SW tho . Probably cost effective wise starting with a CSW would be better , due the large amount of CSW special parts needed to get there from any other model especially with a 110 more so than 90 . JMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECCANO Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 Cheers Guys, a lot of good stuff to consider here. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 The CSW bit is easy. The C is for County trim. For that you just need to buy the trim bits. As for changing the body to a STATION wagon. As said you need certain chassis parts, one being the station wagon cross member that's in front of the rear wheels. Depending on the year you'll also need chassis to body seat belt mounts for the rear belts. As an aside up to and including the 300Tdi, there were more station wagons made without the County trim. Now more people have CSW's than Land Rover made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 The basic 110 chassis is the same, all the SW-specific brackets just bolt on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UdderlyOffroad Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Ignoring for a moment the niceties of the LEZ and DVLA (basically, if it’s an 1980s-era 110, the information on your V5 will be suitably vague and therefore you won’t have to change anything, not that the DVLA would let you anyway!). Just expand on James’ comment somewhat The basic 110 chassis is the same, all the SW-specific brackets just bolt on. Parts site LinkyI bought all of the bracketry from various websites new, and it came to £120, IIRC. I then had them galvanised. You can just see it in the centre between the chassis railsChassis After Galving! by udderlyoffroad, on FlickrWhat you might struggle with however is the SW body tub, pillars and doors. They are commanding a premium now, as many folk (myself included), buy a hard top (van) or pickup and then realise they need to transport more than 2 people, in order to be able to justify the LR to their partners! Best bet is to keep an eye on Ebay for stuff local to you. Or, go to the Newbury sort-out early and cut a deal with someone.Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4444244 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 The series 3 sides will fit with a little trimming and are readily available new, although I think they are about 150 each... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECCANO Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 This I'd great guys. I would have completely missed the lez issue. I think it may have been touched on. But is it impossible to change the fuel type. Or do you just hit a dvla brickwall of impossible goal posts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=jon= Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Which way are you trying to change - Diesel to Petrol or vice versa? I don't think it's impossible - although it may be more difficult if you are going Diesel to Petrol which makes you LEZ exempt - you may need receipts / engineers report etc. I've wondered what would happen if you had Petrol on the V5 and a diesel engine fitted - if you got stopped in the LEZ what (if any) the offence would be.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECCANO Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 I was thinking diesel to petrol as I would plan on transferring the rover t16 2.0 4cyl turbo pet engine from my series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Rusty Wingnut on here did change from diesel to petrol for the LEZ (and then changed back to diesel), hopefully he will see this post and comment? Not sure if he is still visiting the forum though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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