Jon White Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Simple as that really - are they road legal? Thanks Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 i always thought they weren't cos they aint pedestrian friendly, sayin that i see quite a few around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Camel Discoverys have them and they get used on the road so I guess so? Not very pedestrian friendly but then by the time you've bounced off a Husky and Camel bull bar you're probably not that worried about a bit of wire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reads90 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 i always thought they weren't cos they aint pedestrian friendly, sayin that i see quite a few around legal mmmm i had them once on a truck and no one said a word. Even when a copper was learning on them while talking to me (well rephase that doing me for being 16 days out of road tax). Always Once knew a copper in the club that had a rangie with them on So can't that ilegal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjojjas Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 I'd be suprised if there was a specific law against them. After all, you see plenty builders trucks with the roofrack legs extended infront to the bumbers etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reads90 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Not very pedestrian friendly but then by the time you've bounced off a Husky and Camel bull bar you're probably not that worried about a bit of wire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 The real problem could be the use of this section of the RTA... Section 40A Road Traffic Act 1988 as amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991 states: “a person is guilty of an offence if he uses, or causes or permits another to use, a motor vehicle.... on a road when.... the condition of the vehicle..., or of its accessories or equipment.... is such that the use of the motor vehicle.... involves a danger of injury to any person.” This has been used several times to prosecute for dangerous vehicles and even things like people adding unsafe mascots to the bonnets of their cars. New cars are covered under type approval and no new car would get away with bush wires. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 easily detachable with tensioners has gotta be the way to go imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 : “a person is guilty of an offence if he uses, or causes or permits another to use, a motor vehicle.... on a road when.... the condition of the vehicle..., or of its accessories or equipment.... is such that the use of the motor vehicle.... involves a danger of injury to any person.” Crikey... the moment you get into the car and start the engine they could slap that one on you.... exhaust fumes killing people..... then once you put it into gear and start moving..... heck, go get Bubba and the KY jelly.... you're going down boy!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Why did front numberplates dissapear from motorbikes? Wasn't this a safety of pedestrians (head slicing) issue? Would bush wires pass the SVA test? I guess the answer to that would depend on the radius of them meeting the minimum spec... Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 I think SVA is a 3mm radius on everything, you even have to put plastic dome caps on any bolt heads that are on the bodywork I doubt bush-wires would pass the SVA as they & their fixings protrude and could harm a pedestrian. Ignoring the SVA, I've never heard anyone get into trouble for having them on, all the camels have them, and if you manage to damage someone with the bush wires without them having hit any other part of the car then you're doing pretty well. I think the issue with sharp mascots on bonnets is that it makes a relatively smooth/friendly vehicle much more likely to do damage, whereas with a landy it's not really adding anything to the equation, as BogMonster pointed out so very eloquently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 At any speed a bush wire will behave more like a cheese wire. IMHO. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted October 31, 2006 Author Share Posted October 31, 2006 At any speed a bush wire will behave more like a cheese wire. IMHO.Chris Exellant! Anti-rambler device anyone???? So it looks like then no-ones really sure if they're legal or not then, but nobody has ever heard of anyone getting into trouble for running them! I think the best thing to do then is make them fairly easily removable. Anyone got any clever designs for them then, or got any better sources of parts than the local B+Q? I noticed they did steel wire, and the turnbuckles and U clamps the other day! I think if possible I'd prefer to get the loops crimped and use ickle shackles etc so the local yacht chandlers may be a better bet. Might be able to get stainless wire too! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 protex do alot of stainless stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted October 31, 2006 Author Share Posted October 31, 2006 Hmmmmmm they dont appear to do any wire rope or anything though - I just looked at Guildford marine's website - stainless bits are cheap as chips from them! What thickness wries do i want - 5mm? Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 i would think 5mm would do it, do they do a crimping service? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted October 31, 2006 Author Share Posted October 31, 2006 Well they sell the wire, the eyes and the crimps so I'd be very surprised if they wont crimp them for you aswell! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9OSV Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Have run with brush guards for many years, and yes they are illegal in this country (According to a mate, of a mate, who's a traffic cop) But dispite being pulled several times for various other offences have never been questioned or quizzed about them. I think this due to the fact thety had to many other things to moan about However, In Europe they take a very serious veiw on this, and we ahve been fined in Austria for running them. So we always remove them when were abroad. Not a concrete yes or no, but i hope it helps a little. Jim Ps: Don't use less than 8mm it's pointless, and make sure there anchored firmly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Just because there fitted to a Camel don't for a second think there leagle..in the UK The camels are built for countries that don't have much in the way of road law as most of the time the off road. The old bill have far more intresting/pointless ways of extracting money from us law abiding citizens than some rusty old wires from wing to roof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Sta-lock do swageless fittings, they are an easy and neat way of terminating wire rope, they're from the marine industry so well up to living outside. they use a compression joint with an insert to create a very strong join. Can't find a website, but i've got their catalogue at home. Sta-Lok Terminals Ltd Tel: 01206 391509 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 i had bushwires for about 2 years, never a comment from mot or police. well there was one, but the copper was just asking what they where for. B&Q near here do steel wire, but their fittings are carp i was tearing eyebolts apart & snaping tensioners all the time with 3mm wire. i got rid of my wires when i sold the roofrack, id only put them on to keep branches from getting under the rack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocKeR Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Sta-Lok Terminals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 doh! should have tried the obvious, or googled sta-lok, rather than sta-lock. oh well. Never needed to use the website, as they're based 10 minutes from my front door! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Would bush wires pass the SVA test? I guess the answer to that would depend on the radius of them meeting the minimum spec... External/internal projectons aren't part of the comercial SVA test Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoatBuoy Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Stu the traffic cop on orrp says they're illegal. Do you really need them and are they that beneficial to you to warrent risking injuring someone considerabley more than normal if they decide to jump out infront of your land rover.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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