simonr Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I seem to have struck a deal with a spring manufacturer to make me some 'Special' springs for a new product. Since their prices are pretty good and the quality is quite unheard of in this market place: The springs I'm using spend most of their life fully compressed (coil-bound). After 9 months like this, they have not sagged at all! I wondered about asking them to make some regular LR springs. Now, I know there is no one single answer to springing for all vehicles - but it might be worth trying to boil down to half a dozen or so lengths & poundages and getting them to make some. I would be happy to guarantee they will not sag for at least a year of abuse. They should come out cheaper than most of the 'brighter coloured' springs too! (They will be grey powder-coated). So, what length & poundage have you found works on your vehicle? How much does your truck weigh and what lift do (did) they give? The product we're about to launch, will allow you to run slightly stiffer springs than you might otherwise consider to give you better road handling, without compromising, indeed, enhancing sprung articulation. Cheers, Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 For me standard length springs for a rangie would be excellent, would be very very interested in stiffer springs, which would increase droop and possibly bump- would be the answer to a very large number of questions i have at the moment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I wish I knew Si! I've been trying to work out what springs I want on the Bishtail for ages. Got my axle weights and an idea of compressed spring length but clueless as to the rest of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 this would help if people know their vehicle wieght and can give feedback: http://members.shaw.ca/jbarge/springinfo.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 They will be grey powder-coated If I pm you lengths and poundages can you get me a price ? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1G UP Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 could you rip off the max traction springs please as i like that they don't dislocate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 could you rip off the max traction springs please as i like that they don't dislocate! Could do - but what I have is better in a number of respects! More travel, shorter coil-bound length, stiffer on the road etc.... Nigel, For a one-off (two off) it is about £150 a pair plus vat (and that's the cost to me!). The cost drops dramatically for larger quantities though. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Si, IMHO I wouldn't go too hard as OME have got that end of the market pretty well sorted. However, what I'd like to see is a spring arround 200 - 210 ft/lb in a length to suit a winched, armoured and caged vehicle. I was, in fact, going to talk to you about who you were using for springs as I thought I might speak to them about doing me a one off set. P.S. Is there a better coating for springs than powder coating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Cubic zirconia powder on a flexible resin backing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 Si, IMHO I wouldn't go too hard as OME have got that end of the market pretty well sorted. However, what I'd like to see is a spring arround 200 - 210 ft/lb in a length to suit a winched, armoured and caged vehicle. I was, in fact, going to talk to you about who you were using for springs as I thought I might speak to them about doing me a one off set. P.S. Is there a better coating for springs than powder coating? I'll PM you the contact details for the company. There are better coatings for springs - but other than looking bling, what's the point? They are NEVER going to rust through in the life of your vehicle. You could get them coated in PU? Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 You could get them coated in PU? tended to find it isnt overly UV stable, ends up brittle and comes off in big chunks two pack is a nightmare to spray a coil with - powder seems to be a happyish medium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I seem to have struck a deal with a spring manufacturer to make me some 'Special' springs for a new product.Since their prices are pretty good and the quality is quite unheard of in this market place: The springs I'm using spend most of their life fully compressed (coil-bound). After 9 months like this, they have not sagged at all! I wondered about asking them to make some regular LR springs. Now, I know there is no one single answer to springing for all vehicles - but it might be worth trying to boil down to half a dozen or so lengths & poundages and getting them to make some. I would be happy to guarantee they will not sag for at least a year of abuse. They should come out cheaper than most of the 'brighter coloured' springs too! (They will be grey powder-coated). So, what length & poundage have you found works on your vehicle? How much does your truck weigh and what lift do (did) they give? The product we're about to launch, will allow you to run slightly stiffer springs than you might otherwise consider to give you better road handling, without compromising, indeed, enhancing sprung articulation. Cheers, Si Si, by "regular LR springs" do you really mean just that? Now soft springs that spend their lives fully compresses and sit above a standard spring that come into play on extreme droop might be one option (but Moglite has tried that with mixed results). Better though might be some dual rate springs that provide the mix of a long free length with a tender spot at arround normal ride height above which they act more like road springs would be nice, good articulation, better roll resistance on side slopes and acceptable road performance. All in a package that still has a fully comprressed length of under 5" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I would be interested in a pair of springs that are the same free length as Red/Whites but were heavier poundage. I can only guess at what though. I have red/whites all round with a tdi and at the minute the truck sits level, I would like to keep the truck level when the winch and bumper goes on Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I was thinking along similar lines - I would like something the same free length as red/whites but stiffer. I have red/whites all round (with 2" spacers on the rear), and as it stands, the vehicle is level, but as soon as you fill it up with fuel, recovery gear, lunch etc, there is a definate tendancy for the back end to dip. I have something for you anyway, so will probably drop in tomorrow and discuss if you are around. ta Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 They will be grey powder-coated B) I like the sound of that Perhaps a range of standard length, +1", +2" with softer, standard and heavier poundages in the 3 lenghts should do most applications ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 Now soft springs that spend their lives fully compresses and sit above a standard spring that come into play on extreme droop might be one option (but Moglite has tried that with mixed results). I don't think Moglite has tried what I'm doing - my results have been mixed too - good and bl@@dy good! Don't write it off until you know what I'm doing. Red & White springs are about 170 lb/in and about 17" long. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Red & White springs are about 170 lb/in and about 17" long. Yeah, so a similar length and say around 200 lb/in. maybe a touch less sounds like a good spring to me... Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Turner Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Don't write it off until you know what I'm doing. Red & White springs are about 170 lb/in and about 17" long. Si I've just taken my Red/White front springs off, i found them to soft on my challenge motor, i could do with a spring about 210lbs and 17/18'' long. I'd be interested in try'in out your new design in next years awdc series plug plug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I've just taken my Red/White front springs off, i found them to soft on my challenge motor, i could do with a spring about 210lbs and 17/18'' long. I'd be interested in try'in out your new design in next years awdc series plug plug Hmmmm, seems like a few of us want something arround the 200 - 210 lb/ft mark. Hint hint, nudge nudge Trev, Si's doing something very differant to Andy and its a bloody good idea! I've had my eye on it for a while now and its what I intend to run front and back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 90 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Ive seen what Si is doing and im very, very interested. As for spring rate's I have no clue. Something suitable for a trayback 90 with winch's, cage, ground anchor etc etc. Were also looking to do the AWDC series next year.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 P.S. Coating is soooooo important for the bling factor!!! My springs (Old Man Emu) look a mess after 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Turner Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Were also looking to do the AWDC series next year.......... oi! i was there first that's my plug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdicky Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 As others have said, similar to Red/Whites (17.7" and 170lb/in) but maybe 200-210lb/in and a tadge shorter to end up with the same lift, probably about 16.5" free height to go on the back of a 90. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nas90 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Simon, I have been using Famous Four springs for a number of years. They have the same free length as the standard Land Rover springs fitted to NAS90 (Defender), however, the wire diameter is much thicker and give an honest 1 inch lift due to the higher spring rate. My Ranchos will accept longer springs so for me a slightly longer and slightly higher spring rate than standard will do very nicely. This second set of springs have sagged very quickly on the rear springs, but I have been towing more in the last 12 months than I have ever towed in the first 9 years of Nas90 ownership. Famous Four springs are not cheap so a set of springs that retain their characteristics would be financially a lot better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Turner Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I had Red/ White's on the back of the Hibrid and they worked realy well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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