davidoff Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 New rules from 20 May indicate that visible exhaust smoke means a fail. Anybody got up to date info on this topic which would appear to be designed to take the majority of older diesel vehicles off the road? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidoff Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 I have done a little research after posting this topic. It seems that vehicles fitted with DPFs will fail the MoT if they emit visible smoke. I infer therefore that older vehicles without DPFs will presumably get through as normal. Can anyone tell me when DPFs were fitted to our Defenders or 90s? My 1987 90 engine has been changed for one from a Disco 200tdi but I suspect that makes no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 This is what it says from here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-special-notice-07-17-replacement-documents-and-smoke-test-limits/mot-special-notice-07-17-replacement-documents-smoke-test-limits-and-annual-assessments 2.2 What you need to know The amended limits to be applied from 20 May 2018 are: 1. First used before July 2008 None turbo 2.5m-1 or plate value if lower Turbo 3.0m-1 or plate value if lower 2. First used on or after 1 July 2008 All diesels 1.5m-1 or plate value if lower 3. First used on or after 1 January 2014 All diesels 0.7m-1 or plate value if lower Note: Plate value is the emission limit specified by the vehicle manufacturer and can be found on the vehicle manufacturer’s plate. If there’s no emission value on the manufacturer’s plate or it can’t be located, then the alternative default values must be used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidoff Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 Yes, it's me again. I understand that diesel vehicles with a factory build date after 2008 are required to be fitted with DPFs. So pre 2008 builds are presumably exempt from the visible smoke fail test. It would be nice to have an authoritative answer on this important issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I did a bit of reading on this just now, and everything I have found does suggest that your suspicions are right. If a vehicle that should be fitted with a DPF (2008 on) emits visible smoke then yes, it will fail. I think this is more designed to catch failed DPFs or those people who have had them removed. If you car is older than 2008 then I reckon there is no change to how smoke is tested. In terms of defenders. I think DPFs were introduced in 2012 when the Tdci changed from 2.4 to 2.2 litres to meet emission regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 It's all in here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-changes-from-may-2018-guidance-for-mot-testers/mot-inspection-manual-changes Plus a link out to the inspection manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 It says in the link above "any visible smoke from a vehicle fitted with a DPF". So if your defender is pre-2012 you'll be fine. I'm now more worried about the bit below that - "fluid leaks". I'm going to have to drain the oils before putting it through a test Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yostumpy Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I thought that all deisels were required to have DPF fitted from 2009? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Euro 5 was introduced then, but I don't think the 2.4 Puma engines meet the Euro 5 standard. Euro 4 only some diesels had DPFs fitted. Euro 5, most if not all diesel engines were fitted to meet the requirement for lower particulates. http://www.autolatest.com/news-cars/land-rover-defender-has-a-new-euro-5-engine-for-2012-2-2-tdci-ford-engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 DPF are a waste of time anyway, when they self clean all the absorbed carp goes out the exhaust as normal, so IMHO a complete useless bit of kit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I agree Ralph, and I also don't think switching to petrol or even electric cars are going to save us but unfortunately the people who decide the regulations don't see it that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidoff Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 Thank you everybody; that is all most helpful. Those vehicles that have DPFs ought then to present themselves for test before 19 May … and at least get a year's worth out of the system. Best, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Or just get the vehicle up to scratch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=jon= Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I don't think it's been mentioned on here before, but there's another by product of the MOT changes: Quote If there's a 'Dangerous' fault, your car will automatically fail its MoT and can't be driven until a repair is made. A 'Major' defect also constitutes an MoT failure, but the car can be driven on the road to a place of repair, before a retest when the work is complete. A 'Minor' defect is comparable to today's Advisory notices and can be issued alongside an overall MoT pass. http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/162254/new-mot-failure-categories-tougher-emissions-tests So if you put your car in for MOT a month early, and it fails, you cannot drive it other than to home/a workshop until it's fixed - the old test cert is invalidated. Previously you could still (probably unwisely!) drive it until the old cert expired... Think it will catch a lot of people out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat_pending Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, =jon= said: I don't think it's been mentioned on here before, but there's another by product of the MOT changes: http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/162254/new-mot-failure-categories-tougher-emissions-tests So if you put your car in for MOT a month early, and it fails, you cannot drive it other than to home/a workshop until it's fixed - the old test cert is invalidated. Previously you could still (probably unwisely!) drive it until the old cert expired... Think it will catch a lot of people out... The old MOT cert' is not invalidated, nothing has changed. The press keep getting this wrong. Having an MOT cert' does not exempt you from prosecution for a defect, it never has. If you drive after a failure, or at any time with a defect and you still have valid MOT, the offence is related to the defect and that alone. Drive with a defect or not, with an expired MOT and the offence is no valid MOT plus whatever if any defect. They are two separate offences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotts90 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Without getting into the semantics of driving a potential death trap, how quickly would the computers update a failure? Having checked my own vehicles after a pass it's been some time before DVLA shows the new information. This may (rightly or wrongly) allow enough time for some to gamble on the drive home... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Been instant for me lately, I've been checking online rather than giving the garage a ring to see if it is done/passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuWhitby Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 On 01/04/2018 at 8:50 AM, monkie said: It says in the link above "any visible smoke from a vehicle fitted with a DPF". So if your defender is pre-2012 you'll be fine. I'm now more worried about the bit below that - "fluid leaks". I'm going to have to drain the oils before putting it through a test Take a ruler: 8.4.1Fluid leaks You must check for fluid leaks on all vehicles other than Class 3. You should do this with the engine idling. A leak of fluids such as engine coolant, screen wash and fluid required for Selective Catalyst Reduction aren't reasons for failure. You should fail a vehicle if a fluid leak creates a pool on the floor within 5 minutes that's more than 75mm in diameter or if there are many leaks which collectively leak fluid at the same rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotts90 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 12 hours ago, Bowie69 said: Been instant for me lately, I've been checking online rather than giving the garage a ring to see if it is done/passed. My bike is due soon so I'll check it after its done to see if things have improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco-Ron Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 I recently had a vehicle tested that had been sorned and out of mot over the winter...... I taxed it online before I even left the testing station...... so instant!! I also bought a brand new vehicle last week and transferre ownership online and taxed it before I left the dealership... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotts90 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 I agree the new tax and registration online stuff is marvellous compared to the old post and wait routine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 ''Tax in post'' 😂 Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Yes... back when the offence was 'Not *displaying* a valid tax disc'.... You'll get chancers forever I reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Friend of mine used to love pushing his luck with tax discs, he was trading cars for a few years and wasn't above swapping a valid disc between cars - would remove it if he got pulled over as it's less serious to fail to display than display the wrong one all this new stuff has ruined his fun! Still, I have to say I give the DVLA props for having an online system that seems to work pretty well - compared to other gubmint IT projects like the abortion that is the HMRC self-assesment website for example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Out of interest, now the new MOT has been running for a few months.... has anyone fallen foul of any of the regulations with a smokey/leaky old Land Rover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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