marsie Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Stolen from Doug Dransfields last night(saturday 23rd).Stocksbridge near sheffield 90 300 tdi winch challenge car,galvanized chassis caledonian blue,full cage,front and rear 8274,lockers,ashcroft shafts.Yellow mach5 beadlocks,simex centipedes etc. Reg number R429 LVL 110 300tdi county station wagon.reg number R703 JUA. Epson green,alloys,winch,full roofrack 90 200tdi truck cab,landrover green,ifor williams canopy,K799 GAC Any info contact Doug Dransfield 0114288765 or 07860646188 Karl 07771567651 Paul 07989 677452 Thanks very much Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Brock Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 B@ast&DS ........... Hope there found soon !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mouse_man Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 B@ast&DS ........... Indeed!!! There does seem to be a real spate of these thefts at the moment, apart for the misery caused to their owners it surely can't be long before it starts impacting on insurance premiums and affecting all Defender owners with higher costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimAttrill Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Over here I think you could park your Defender in the road with the keys in and nobody would steal it. The last stats I saw had the top of the list being the Toymota HiLux 'bakkie' or utility with 1 300 stolen in a year, and the Defender was at the bottom of the list with one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Sparkes Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Strangely Jim, that's of little comfort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimAttrill Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 True, it does show how things vary from one country to another. Here there are lots of 'chop shops' that will take your BMW or Merc and have it either stripped or re-registered as a new car. There is most likely a lot of bribery going on with the vehicle registration people. And other cars are shipped over the borders to Bots or Swaziland or even Zim if they have a few billions of dollars In the UK these things are more difficult so the easy way is to steal an easily dismantleable vehicle like the Defender and sell the parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHT Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 will keep an eye out up this way for ya paul but so be honest they will most likely be striped or on there way out of the country by now weve had about 20 nicked from this area in the last 9 or 10 months never to be seen again dave p.s you ready for rushton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsie Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 p.s you ready for rushton Dont be silly Paul B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landmannnn Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 True, it does show how things vary from one country to another. Here there are lots of 'chop shops' that will take your BMW or Merc and have it either stripped or re-registered as a new car. There is most likely a lot of bribery going on with the vehicle registration people. And other cars are shipped over the borders to Bots or Swaziland or even Zim if they have a few billions of dollars In the UK these things are more difficult so the easy way is to steal an easily dismantleable vehicle like the Defender and sell the parts. Not really Jim. While older vehicles are at the top of the list, for newer models BMW/ Merc etc are still heavily stolen in the UK. This link shows the risk levels in the UK. http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/car-theft-index/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88 inch of pure pleasure Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 unreal i was only up at dougs other day and he was looking faward to getting out winching in a couple of weeks with it.it is a worrying thing im only 2 mins drive from him and now i feel my truck could be next??? f***ing ba**ards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy511 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 im worried now i only live about 20 mins from stocksbridge. i hope you get them back in one piece but its more than likely theyll be stripped, especially seing as one is highly modified and would stand out like a sore thumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Good job they did not have a look around the hotel the forum peaks trip were using on friday and saturday night. I wonder if in future we need to be discreet about where we are planning to stay when arranging such events! Or am I just to suspicious! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredenewman Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 i think that many are being shipped to eastern europe/russia conbverted to lhd registered and sold on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 i think that many are being shipped to eastern europe/russia conbverted to lhd registered and sold on They don't even bother converting them to lhd for Russia, lots of ex-Jap rhds there. Good point for the future John ! Not too suspicious at all Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 It is a sobering thought. Gladly all the Landrovers were able to park close to reception which offers some security. If the hotel had been busier it may have been a different story. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy511 Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 the best way imo is home made anti theft devices which you dont divulge and info about. and if you have the money, a tracking device, especially for comp trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparg Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 let me get this straight -3 defenders stolen from same place? - this sounds a bit well-organised! - are they regularly there? - someone's mounted a major expedition to seize three of them. Can I suggest to list admin that we try setting up a section to document details of stolen vehicles/ I'm thinking of two main things: 1) we try to map areas and times of thefts 2) any pictures of distinctive features of vehicles - signature scratches, dents and so on. Digital photos are cheap enough to get and store and one secondary aim: we try to assemble intelligence about who the main culprits are, where they are sending them, and so on (it's likely there are a limited number of 'specialists' that do the bulk of the thefts). I think if we're just passive, they'll 'farm' us. Finally, I know we've discussed before the need to keep some security arrangements secret, but aprt from those, are there security ploys we could develop that, even if known, might be effective? - an ongoing discussion might be helpful For instance, I know one thread mentioned that trackers can be jammed, masked, or deactivated. Are there any devices where any of these (involving the cessation of a signal) would in itself trigger an alarm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Are there any devices where any of these (involving the cessation of a signal) would in itself trigger an alarm? Yup! The gizmos used to alarm you if your child has wandered too far away from you in the shopping centre. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazelle Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 This link shows the risk levels in the UK.http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/car-theft-index/ Did you notice that Defenders (Estate version) older than 2000 are listed in this document as "No vehicles of this type on the road". Not even "too few" but "No". Bit odd.... Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 ..we try to assemble intelligence about who the main culprits are, where they are sending them, and so on (it's likely there are a limited number of 'specialists' that do the bulk of the thefts).I think if we're just passive, they'll 'farm' us. more likely its nice British thieves feeding off thier countrymen because people want bargains and a fair few are prepared to "forget" to ask questions when something they need or want turns up for the right price.. ....the UK is after all the largest market for Landrovers and landrover parts after all (you can stone me now if you like ) Whichever ways its cut - its a s**t deal for those that have lost thier pride and joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steffUK Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Like the idea of a database of stolen cars/parts. This reminds me to write down the serial number of the winches. If these would be public it might help that stolen parts can be resold here in the UK. However, nothing can be done if vehicles go outside the country. I still believe in making the car as unattractive as possible for a thief is the best defence. I used to park my 90ty in south London and I had fitted cut off switches for battery and fuel as well as a removable steering wheel. My hope was that the person I'm not that keen on would chose another car which is easier to move then mine... steff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparg Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Yup!The gizmos used to alarm you if your child has wandered too far away from you in the shopping centre. Si What kind or range do they have? - 10 metres, 100 metres? - are they adjustable? - they sound potentially just right. You could make it so that, if the transmitter is powered by the battery, disconnecting it will set off the alarm, as would putting the vehicle in a container Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparg Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 more likely its nice British thieves feeding off thier countrymen because people want bargains and a fair few are prepared to "forget" to ask questions when something they need or want turns up for the right price......the UK is after all the largest market for Landrovers and landrover parts after all (you can stone me now if you like ) Whichever ways its cut - its a s**t deal for those that have lost thier pride and joy so is the majority opinion that these nicked vehicles are being broken for parts? - that would make e-bay a likely market, wouldn't it? It seems that, although the police will run a database for nicked vehicles, disassembling a vehicle makes it drop off their radar. A more complex (and expensive!) mechanism would be to list a given vehicle on a database as a parts list. if a search engine could be made that automatically searches for parts and clusters of parts, to look for correlations between missing items and items offered on the 2nd hand market, global trends might make suspicious sellers more conspicuous? ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 sad to say its been tried before, theft for breaking was a massive industry in the bike world, the only thing that put the pro's off seemed to be fitting either datatag or smartwater, the feds could simply breeze through the breakers stores departments waving a lamp or a scanner and be home in time for cakes - a good number of breakers went to jail and the others got smart and refused to deal with anything hooky (and no, I realise not all bike breakers were bent before anyone spits the dummy). With a Landy based autojumble or sortout it would be even easier for the bronze to scan a heap of stuff in a small area making nice easy collars with the minimum of effort.. Would it work with Landrovers? yep Would people be prepared to fork out the datatag fees? pass Would the feds follow it up or do any high vis sweeps and patrols? erm, pass. They could always rope in the community support brownies (or whatevers being used to replace the police this week ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparg Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 not familiar with datatag - or smartwater - what's the latter? - how much do these technologies cost, and how effective are they? - a forum or club negotiated discount could be a goer? also, my point was that, nowadays, what's the chances that these items won't appear on the internet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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