Dikiy Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 There is a problem with clutch plate illustrated on the first picture. Clutch plate leafs wear. I know many who faced with such problem, and nobody can explain why. So, anybody knows why it happened? I suppose the underlying cause is a Clutch Release Bearing (self centering) FTC5200. This type of release bearing has a sharp contact surface instead flat surface on old type which not self- centering FRC9568. What is Your suggestions? Is any sense to go with old type FRC9568 or with expensive Alluminium HD bearing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty_wingnut Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 your problem is evident in the 3rd photo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiy Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 No man, this Britpart bearing not a problem. By the way, it was original FRC9568 RB inside Britpart box. I saw such bearing only once. I'm always using original RB or OEM RB which same as original NSK, only package is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I use the FTC5200 bearing, don't have any problems, the release bearing regardless of maker will wear on that part of the diaphragm fingers simply because it's the mating face for the 2 parts & is normal waer on a used clutch assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 What Ralph said - I've never seen a clutch yet that doesn't have some wear on the fingers. If it's half way through the fingers, then you need to be worried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Well I'd stop buying Britpart stuff just as a general rule as it's universally awful. The bearing face is also very narrow as you have said - since I did my clutch last Friday I had chance to compare between Britpart FTC5200 (sent in error by Paddocks), Allmakes (spare I had around), Borg & Beck that came with the clutch, and Rakeway aluminium one that I actually fitted. All except the Rakeway one have relatively narrow bearing faces. I feel the alloy one is well worth it as you know it isn't going to melt (which can happen). The bearing part is replaceable so after your initial investment it's not big money to change the bearing, I bought a spare bearing at the same time for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiy Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 What Ralph said - I've never seen a clutch yet that doesn't have some wear on the fingers Sorry. Could you be more specific, This is the first time when He seen such wear, or this present on the all clutch covers? All specimens was a Valeo brand, probably it can a problem with producer? Next time I'll go with AP cover, by the way, AP clutch plate has a same diameter as Valeo for Def 130. The bearing face is also very narrow as you have said - since I did my clutch last Friday I had chance to compare between Britpart FTC5200 (sent in error by Paddocks), Allmakes (spare I had around), Borg & Beck that came with the clutch, and Rakeway aluminium one that I actually fitted. All except the Rakeway one have relatively narrow bearing faces.I feel the alloy one is well worth it as you know it isn't going to melt (which can happen). The bearing part is replaceable so after your initial investment it's not big money to change the bearing, I bought a spare bearing at the same time for the future. On the second photo You can see two different bearings. The left one is a FTC5200 the right one is a FRC9568. Please pay You attention on the bearing face Ok, as I understand, there is a good sense to go with alluminium bearing. PS Sorry for my English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Could you be more specific, This is the first time when He seen such wear, or this present on the all clutch covers? This is a complicated sentence. He meant "all the clutch covers I have seen have had some wear on them". There is usually a mark on the fingers, but they need lots of wear (halfway through) to fail completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 On the second photo You can see two different bearings. The left one is a FTC5200 the right one is a FRC9568. Please pay You attention on the bearing face True, but it is still Britpart and therefore still likely to be made from cheese of some sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiy Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 OK, I understood. But it means all of that covers with wear fingers "Valeo from Britpart"? What about AP or other? http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?s=&s...ost&p=45798 Looks like the same problem with AP also? But why? Who is a guilty cover or bearing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_d Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Looks like the same problem with AP also? But why? Who is a guilty cover or bearing? It is designed that way. Yes it will wear but will last as long as the clutch itself so will get replaced before the fingers are worn too far. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Here's what I've got: Top right - spare bearing for Rakeway aluminium bearing carrier Bottom right - AP release bearing Bottom left - Britpart bearing FTC5200 The Britpart one is "sharper" and the outside edge of the bearing is squarer than the AP one. Here's the fingers on my clutch that's just come out after ~8,000 miles (not because it was dead but to replace the plastic release bearing), it spent the first ~6,000 miles running a rakeway bearing which died due to sand in the bellhousing (my fault), you can see the wider marks from the rakeway bearing and you can see the narrow mark caused by 2000 miles with a "normal" FTC5200 (which I think was allmakes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiy Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 Many Thanks! FridgeFreezer Very, very demonstrative photo with clutch cover! Thank You. My supposition confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 A wear ring on the clutch cover fingers is normal, and all clutches do this. A sharper bearing edge may well cut faster than a wider, profiled one. The Rakeway bearing is a good investment and is almost fit and forget. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v8bertha Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Hmmm... did somebody mention melting? Not mine I hasten to add, however I have just fitted an aluminium Rakeway bearing. Has a much wider mating face as has already been mentioned. D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Hmmm... did somebody mention melting? Pah! The one that came out of my Freebie was so melted there was just a bearing race and about four balls left, everything else was in a puddle at the bottom of the bellhousing all because of a sticky release arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Ok Old tread i know. But searching around for an HD release bearing. Now I know bits in blue boxes do not seem to be a favorite here, but they do a alu HD bearing for a resonable price. Bearmach also do one which does look better...... so what shall i do?? Haveing said that, my plastic standard bearing served me well for the past 12 years. I am also concerned on the sharp edge the late bearings have, i am used to the old style frc9568............. Any pointers.............. Thanks G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyninety Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 look about half way down on this page.. http://www.rakeway.co.uk/page28.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailysleaze Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I fitted the Britpart aluminium one about 7 months ago and so far so good. I read somewhere that they were supplied by Rakeway but whether it's true I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Why does Rakeway not put prices on their website?? Really hate that...turns me right off. Anyhows, I'm also now in the market for an LT77 release bearing, what are the best options currently avaliable? I'm thinking about an aluminkum one, to avoid the melting plastic woes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 doubt normal day to day use would melt the carrier,possible if really caning the clutch brutally, I haven't damaged a release bearing carrier in 20 years of owning my 110 & it's got loads of miles on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 I've had a plastic one melt & disintegrate, admittedly in the Freebie not the 109. Had the bearing go on the Rakeway one in the 109 (through crud in bellhouisng, my fault) and the net gain was that the carrier could be re-used, so it's better in that there's one less failure mode and when you're away from easy LR parts supply you have something to press/bodge a new bearing onto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I can't speak highly enough of the guys at Rakeway, best thing to do is give them a ring, will give a heap of advice over the phone even if you're not actually buying anything from them. They make a lot of stuff themselves, so the release bearing housings are batch made, I remeber having to wait for mine to be made. Considering the position of the component, its a no brainer to be to install an alu housing, if that outlasts everything in the clutch area then its done its job. Mav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenstream Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 The Rakeway release bearing is currently 54 £ including the vat. Got a quote from them last week. Morten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 hmm....I wonder if it's really worth it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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