landrover598 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 On these I'm looking at ideas for my front suspension mods, i want more angle of the dangle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 A better option, cheaper too, is to put a pair of hard bushes on one side and a pair of soft ones on the other. The axle rotation is restricted on the road by the hard bushes, but the soft ones allow the articulation off road. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Which bushes are hard ? which are soft ? I'm currently running standard LR rubber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Red polys are hard, blue polys are soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Red polys are hard, blue polys are soft. Only if their genuine 'Polybush' parts A mate used Ironman ones on his 127, they were so hard the bits they were fitted in started to wear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Where do standard rubber bushes fit in the hardness/softness scale ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdicky Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Ooooh they look interesting... I think that Scorpion orange ones are supposedly somewhere between the blue and red Polys so shouldn't be too hard? I like the thinking behind running soft and hard ones on different sides Simon, but why not just run 'soft' ones all round. They are similar in stiffness to standard rubber ones, and are only known as 'soft' as it differentiates them from the harder ones! I've got blue Polybushes on the front of mine and I'm pleased with them, but slotted ones could be even better Wasn't keen on getting some sent over from Oz as they're pricey and life expectancy was pretty unknown at the time. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 but why not just run 'soft' ones all round. They are similar in stiffness to standard rubber ones, In that case when should i make it worse by fitting a hard bush on one side I am trying to get more flex out of the bushes, so thats why i was looking at the slotted stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 FWIW I'm well happy with my Oz slotted bushes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 How do the Oz slotted ones differ from the $crapiron ones above ? how pricey are they ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdicky Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 That reply was to Simon, I'd say go for the Scorpion ones (as I'd like to know how they perform!), if not then I think blue Polys work well. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 They are a proper molded metalastic type bush Been in for some 10K miles, happy with handling and without going three link (or hinged but that's scarey) they're the best way to improve front articulation. They let you reach the point where the hockey stick twists in the axle bracket when articulating and binds (early narrow bushes are best) but still give excellent for/aft control. IIRC they where some £80 but the worst bit of that was the bank transfer fee. With Ali now on walkabout there are probably better ways of getting the money to Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Now thats what i call slotted Prehaps those on one side of axle and standard bushes on tother side ? My landy is my road car for 95% of the time, but i'd like to get the best out of it off road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 IMHO, there's not enough cut out of the Scrap Iron ones. Personally I think you'd get more travel by using differant grade poly's to force articulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Good timing, I'm about to get a set from Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Where do standard rubber bushes fit in the hardness/softness scale ? IIRC not much difference from the blue ones, I run standard rubber bushes all round which give me all the travel I'll ever need for a fairly heavy 110, get plenty of axle movement when I need it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Red polys are hard, blue polys are soft. Orange is in between If scrapiron still use poly bush as there supplier poly bush will still make anything in any colour but there stuff comes red, orange, blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Speak to Hayley at Polybush re a mixed sets, she will put them together whatever you ask, and they are nice people do deal with rather than Mr 'short-man-scorpion-mit-attitude' Red are HARDER than genuine, blues are softer than genuines Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJL Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Speak to Hayley at Polybush re a mixed sets, she will put them together whatever you ask, and they are nice people do deal with rather than Mr 'short-man-scorpion-mit-attitude' Red are HARDER than genuine, blues are softer than genuines Nige Who's Sam?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Why a mixture of hard and soft? If you have soft on both sides, it makes the handling vague and allows the axle to roll on acceleration / braking, which amongst other things can lead to prop shaft vibration. The hard bushes on one side make the rotation of the axle track the hockey stick on that side accuratly. On the road, there tends not to be too much articulation, but more rearing & diving as you accelerate & brake. In an off-road scenario, the two soft bushes (or slotted ones) allow the two hockey sticks to rotate in opposite directions around the axis of the axle, in turn leading to less resistance to articulation. The fact that the axle rotation is tracking one stick more than the other makes little difference - it is still allowing the axle to 'twist' in effect. What you get is a good compromise between handling on the road and free articulation. You can get even more if you remove one of the hockey stick to axle bolts on the soft side when you are off road. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 On these I'm looking at ideas for my front suspension mods, i want more angle of the dangle Just seen this thread, my 10 year old son has some of these in his lego set, okay his are grey Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I'm not sure they haven't just seen a cotton reel and thought "hey, we can copy that!" Has anyone seen failures of the Australian slotted bushes yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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