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Scotland lowers alcohol in blood drink-drive limits on 5th Dec


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only relevant to UK drivers. 35mg in 100ml breath limit unchanged.

Scotland has decided to lower the current UK 80 mg to 100ml alc in blood test to Euro 50mg per 100ml.

so anyone going North over Xmas, just don't drink & drive

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30090003

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/24/scotland-drink-driving-limit-reduced

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50 milligrams???? Come on! That would be an alcohol weight percentage of 20% - alcohol being lighter than water and blood being heavier??? If you /do/ have that much alcohol in your blood I think your wife has been visiting a taxidermist and that you're dead. :-) :-)

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I think that you have your calculations a few decimal points out!

Blood is approximately 6% denser than water, alcohol about 20% less dense. 100ml of blood weighs about 106g.

50mg per 100ml is less than 0.05% by weight.

Have you been trying a practical assessment?

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from the Drinkaware website https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/check-the-facts/alcohol-and-the-law/drink-driving

---------- existing UK law ------------ the figures are correct

What's the law on drink driving?

In the UK, the alcohol limit for drivers is

80 milligrammes of alcohol per 100millilitres of blood,

35 microgrammes per 100 millilitres of breath or

107milligrammes per 100 millilitres of urine.

In most other European countries, the limit is less, usually 50 milligrammes per 100 millilitres of blood (3).

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Haha it's good to see that there is the technical expertise to varify and calculate absolutely anything....

It simple terms I thought the limit was one of anything (so a pint or glass of wine (90% proof stuff excluded) ) does this mean it's now a half and that's your lot for us simple folk?

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Haha it's good to see that there is the technical expertise to varify and calculate absolutely anything....

It simple terms I thought the limit was one of anything (so a pint or glass of wine (90% proof stuff excluded) ) does this mean it's now a half and that's your lot for us simple folk?

Not that I advocate a drink of anything before driving but a zero level would complicate matters to try to work out metabolic rates of alcohol going through your system too and how long you should leave between a drink and driving if that makes sense. A half suits me fine if that's the guidance

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Haha it's good to see that there is the technical expertise to varify and calculate absolutely anything....

It simple terms I thought the limit was one of anything (so a pint or glass of wine (90% proof stuff excluded) ) does this mean it's now a half and that's your lot for us simple folk?

Not that I advocate a drink of anything before driving but a zero level would complicate matters to try to work out metabolic rates of alcohol going through your system too and how long you should leave between a drink and driving if that makes sense. A half suits me fine if that's the guidance

The difference that eating (or not) while drinking makes to your absorbtion of alcohol and hence blood alcohol level is considerable so simple rules don't work. I guess the French have the best solution, carry your own breathalizer. :)

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I have found no government website that says what the legal limit means in terms of volume of beer or wine you can drink. As already said, it depends on the person so there's no way they can responsibly tell someone who's 7 stone and hungry they can drink the same as someone who's 20 stone and just had a full english

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It's like trying to publish a single number for how far all land rovers go on a litre of fuel. Different strength beers, depends on how use you are to alcohol, weight, how much you've eaten, gender. Probably be ok with a half but nobody will say that as in some cases that won't be ok.

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Anyone know how accurate / reliable the electronic breath alcohol-o-meters you can buy are? I.e. If it says you are OK to drive, can you trust it?

I don't wittingly drink & drive - but having some reassurance the morning after that you are safe would be preferable.

Si

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Anyone know how accurate / reliable the electronic breath alcohol-o-meters you can buy are? I.e. If it says you are OK to drive, can you trust it?

I don't wittingly drink & drive - but having some reassurance the morning after that you are safe would be preferable.

Si

I wouldn't trust them, after all the police don't trust the portable version that they carry and it's a lot more sophisticated than anything that you or I might buy.

If worried, I'd suggest that you purchase some of the disposable ones that the French require all drivers to carry. They are designed for a lower limit than the UK legal limit so should have a considerable "safety" margin. My former employers used to hand them out to anyone hiring a car and driving abroad, so I have a couple somewhere. Never used one, so don't know how clear the indication is.

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In the pub last week, was having a very unscientific discussion on if you can make nitro glycerin from laughing gas for some reason, when a chap standing next to us introduced himself as a professor in chemistry and gave us a very interesting half hour lecture!

Converting alcohols was one subject, and he touched on how breathalysers work. I forgot the finer points but they don't measure alcohol. They measure the level of something else (forget what!) and compare it with another substance that we also produce naturally- it is the difference between the volume of these two chemicals that is measured.

So you can't say the limit is 1/2 beers etc as it will vary dependant on other factors. He mentioned that in fact it is possible to doctor the outcome of a breathalyser test by raising the level of the comparative chemical in your blood stream, though I won't say how ;)

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I wouldn't trust them, after all the police don't trust the portable version that they carry and it's a lot more sophisticated than anything that you or I might buy. ......

It's not that the police don't trust them, it's just that they only have the sophisticated one at the station calibrated isn't it?

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In the pub last week, was having a very unscientific discussion on if you can make nitro glycerin from laughing gas for some reason, when a chap standing next to us introduced himself as a professor in chemistry and gave us a very interesting half hour lecture!

Converting alcohols was one subject, and he touched on how breathalysers work. I forgot the finer points but they don't measure alcohol. They measure the level of something else (forget what!) and compare it with another substance that we also produce naturally- it is the difference between the volume of these two chemicals that is measured.

So you can't say the limit is 1/2 beers etc as it will vary dependant on other factors. He mentioned that in fact it is possible to doctor the outcome of a breathalyser test by raising the level of the comparative chemical in your blood stream, though I won't say how ;)

The wikipedia page has a section on the chemistry of how they work, maybe that will fill in the blanks in your recollection? ;)

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