ianmayco68 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Hi all, while I'm rebuild my 200tdi 110 csw I've decided to convert the rear drum brakes to discs. I've read and decided to go down the diesel Jim conversion route, I've read some of the other threads on here but have become a bit confused with people discussing various combinations of parts. I know the parts I need off the tech article for the brackets , callipers ,brake pipes but I'm not sure of the other bits is the part number for the hubs FRC 6139 and are the disc guard part numbers FTC4839 and FTC4838 ? And are here any other bits I will need ? any help would be much appreciated cheers Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 FRC6139 IS the hub http://www.paddockspares.com/frc6139-front-hub-assy-front-axle-to-ka930455.html FTC4839 front mudshield Left http://www.paddockspares.com/ftc4839-front-mudshield-lh.html FTC4838 front mudshield Right http://www.paddockspares.com/ftc4838-front-mudshield-rh.html item 2 left & right are the rear disc mudshield. http://lrcat.com/#31/4/52913 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete3000 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=60726&hl= this will be a good read....... plenty of info read the detail, 2 general routes earlier wide spaced bearings or replace the lot with 300tdi parts. If you've got the 200tdi drums already I'd personally go wider spaced bearings (use your stub axles and buy some FRC6139 front hubs), stc1268 stc1269 calipers? the 300tdi disc guards don't fit anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dag019 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I have just done this on my 110. I followed the instructions and part numbers linked below and used the diesel Jim write up for more information. I used the early front hubs with wider bearing spacing on FRC3132 stub axles. I found it really easy to do the conversion. http://www.landroverblogger.com/land-rover-salisbury-axle-disc-brake-conversion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete3000 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Prefer to use better spacers than that if you have the skills/time. by matching the contour of the caliper bracket and having them cut professionally they will be a much better job. Less chance of mud/rust blowing it apart. Not too sure what the copper grease brings to the party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dag019 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Prefer to use better spacers than that if you have the skills/time. by matching the contour of the caliper bracket and having them cut professionally they will be a much better job. Less chance of mud/rust blowing it apart. Not too sure what the copper grease brings to the party? I did use proper spacers following the contour of the bracket so it was a solid piece of metal but i used the method and part numbers listed and had no problems. I also did not bother with the disk shields as I only have one left on the front and when that rusts through as well will not bother replacing it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 You will find that the shields dramatically reduce pad wear when driving on winter roads. I would keep them in place, but it depends on your usage. On the flip side they make jet washing play day mud off much harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmayco68 Posted July 10, 2015 Author Share Posted July 10, 2015 Cheers all , that's another job to the list when I've finished welding and painting the chassis. Did those of you that have followed this route buy the brake pipes or make them yourselves ? And whats the feeling on the best discs and pads to fit mintex , paddocks own branded ones cheers Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I bought a coil pack of Kunifer brake pipe & the end fittings from a local motor factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I bought stainless steel braided flexi brake lines for my rear axle from Dave at Llama4x4. They go straight from the axle tee peice to the caliper. They are easy and simple to fit, won't crack or corrode, and crucially allow you to remove the caliper for hub maintenance without having to disturb the brake hydraulic system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommobot Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Looking to start this myself. I know it's been covered plenty, but currently all I have is a 200tdi 110 rear axle, and a set set of discs and calipers.  I believe, I'd need to purchase 300tdi hubs, caliper brackets, and a 6mm thick spacer for the caliper bracket. Everything else I should be able to cobble together from what I have? Does this sound about right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L19MUD Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Basically yes. I decided to fit the 300tdi stubs instead of reuse the 200tdi ones saving having to make the 6mm spacer. All lined up nicely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommobot Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Infact, I think it may have been wrong... Is it 200tdi front hubs I need.... and I keep the existing 200tdi stub shaft or have I mis-understood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneandtwo Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) I had a 110 300tdi which had a knackered Salisbury diff, I used an old 1980’s axle casing with the 300tdi stub axles, disc brackets, half shafts, drive members and hubs. All bolted straight onto the old axle casing. I ended up buying new shafts / drive members and stub axles as all were worn out when removed from the 300tdi. You can use 300tdi disco hubs which you can’t give away (same as defender) From memory the only difference between the 80’s and the 300tdi axle casing was I had to drill one 6mm hole in the damper mount to allow the disc shield to bolt to it. Edited October 29, 2021 by oneandtwo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I retained the drum braked stub axle, TD front hubs to retain the thicker drive members & wider spaced hub bearings, Had some 10mm spacers made as I used 110 plain front disc which have a deeper centre bell than the later discs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommobot Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 So let's say caliper brackets are £40 per side, and a s/h 200tdi front hub for maybe £25 each...  I've got discs, calipers and pads... Then maybe £20 for 6mm steel and I'm there? Anything else I've overlooked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete3000 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 bolts, longer for the caliper brackets +6mm for the spacer. I used some hd drive flanges with the nut caps on to allow the oil from the axle to the stub to lubricate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 there is a parts list in the original thread IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 12 hours ago, tommobot said: Infact, I think it may have been wrong... Is it 200tdi front hubs I need.... and I keep the existing 200tdi stub shaft or have I mis-understood? 200 and earlier front hubs will fit the early stub axles.  If you fit 300 hubs, you’ll need matching stub axles, drive flanges and half shafts.. I used a Discovery brake system on my 109, and the Discovery rear callipers and discs (same as RRC and 90) fit using the 300 Salisbury calliper bracket and a spacer.  If you are using 110 rear discs and callipers, then the same probably applies as the callipers are made to allow for the offset of the disc rim from the hub face, but I can’t be certain of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelE Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021  These 3 videos from Mike [Britannica] tell you all you need to know and have a list of parts required  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8av0vsce8Hg  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESOVFRMoyLg  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTcSOq-NdJA  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommobot Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 On 10/30/2021 at 5:44 AM, Snagger said: 200 and earlier front hubs will fit the early stub axles.  If you fit 300 hubs, you’ll need matching stub axles, drive flanges and half shafts.. I used a Discovery brake system on my 109, and the Discovery rear callipers and discs (same as RRC and 90) fit using the 300 Salisbury calliper bracket and a spacer.  If you are using 110 rear discs and callipers, then the same probably applies as the callipers are made to allow for the offset of the disc rim from the hub face, but I can’t be certain of that. I've now got my hubs, early front hubs... Just for absolute certainty, I need bearings and seals for a early defender front end... Nothing fancy of mixing and match with the rear etc..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 The hub bearings are common parts Tom on front & rear hubs, RTC3429. use Timken bearings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 On 11/18/2021 at 11:49 PM, tommobot said: I've now got my hubs, early front hubs... Just for absolute certainty, I need bearings and seals for a early defender front end... Nothing fancy of mixing and match with the rear etc..? Post 1980 SIIIs, all Defenders, RRC and Discovery 1 use the same wheel bearings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommobot Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Excellent, thanks for the confirmation guys. My plan is I've got a spare Salisbury axle in my workshop, I'll get everything figured and fitted on the spare then it 'should' be an easy job to fit it on the axle on the back of the 110.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete3000 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 One further thing to add is if you swap the drum brakes for discs, swap the master cylinder for a 300tdi (smaller piston area) type, the older drum/disc master i persisted with for so long was the cause of the low effort even when standing on the pedal. Now it's easier to lock the wheels. I upgraded the front discs to vented with the wider calipers, all in it adds real stopping power now. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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