Nigelw Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Just seen a right hash of a job on faceache, a D2 chassis that is horrendously rotten and so badly repaired that the shock mounts ripped out at 70mph says the poster. Unable to post a link on this thing but if you are a fb member please post link or screens of pics. My question is really, as a private person, what can you do? It can clearly be seen how bad it is/was, but it was just plain dangerous and not at all very well repaired. Can you claim liabilities against seller even if it was a private person not a garage? It needs re-chassis and it'll live but, there must be some kind of come back for selling something so dangerous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I assume you mean this one Nigel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 These are the pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted January 24, 2016 Author Share Posted January 24, 2016 Thats the one Barry, struggling with new tech this end(tablet died and new phone ia a mystery to me ) How on earth can someone get away with doing that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I don't know the legal position but if it was a private sale I was always told it was buyer beware .... ie tough. That said if someone had gone out of their way to cover up faults and misrepresent the vehicle perhaps you could take civil proceedings? Perhaps the solution involves big hairy bikers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Perhaps the solution involves big hairy bikers? Getting Geordies to cook for them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacr2man Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 private legal action would be possible, (expensive) and you would need to show that there was more than probable belief that they knowingly sold in a "unroadworthy" condition , if it was sold as roadworthy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I saw those pics, what a heck of a state to let it get into, the buyer could go to citizens advice or a solicitor to find out if they can take any proceedings against the seller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I saw it too, didn't believe it at first. My thoght on the matter was one of previous MoT's. Surely it had them, and surely therefore an MoT tester needs looking at, for allowing it to pass in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 You do have to wonder how it got through the last MOT, I imagine it was one of those special ones? I think it would be very difficult and expensive to take any legal action against the seller unless that was identified as the cause of a serious accident and the police / coroner took it on. Then they might look at who sold it, did the work or even who tested it, but more likely it'd come down to the owner I guess. You can try a small claims case as not fit for purpose, not sure how that would go but it's online and not expensive. I have a friend a couple of friends with open cases and it seems quite easy to do, don't know what the outcome will be. Although there have been a few amusing paperwork cock ups in one of the cases, he was sent the documentation from an unrelated case with his name on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 The worrying thing with stuff like that isn't so much the condition now, but that could not have happened in one year. So I recon at least the last two MOTs haven't been as scrupulous as the could have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 Thing is when you total up parts etc a chassis swap goes north of 2k Say you paid 3,000 for it all clean and tidy then this, that makes it a 5,000 car and insurmountable ball ache involved in repairs and unknown work involved, this isn't like the turbo going pop after 5,000 miles! It's really rather serious and devious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Whats the background? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Whats the background? Some sort of block paving ....... I'll get my coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Some sort of block paving ....... I'll get my coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuko Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Whats the name of the group on FB are you finding this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 Whats the name of the group on FB are you finding this?Land Rover Owners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Getting Geordies to cook for them? Some sort of block paving ....... I'll get my coat. You're on a roll today sir! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Thing is when you total up parts etc a chassis swap goes north of 2k Say you paid 3,000 for it all clean and tidy then this, that makes it a 5,000 car and insurmountable ball ache involved in repairs and unknown work involved, this isn't like the turbo going pop after 5,000 miles! It's really rather serious and devious! I think your 2k is a very conservative estimate, Simon_CSK paid 7K to have the job done http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=96627&p=840764 and Muddy spent 2.6K doing it himself http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=96627&p=840815 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I don't understand the problem here, someone put a heap on ebay (or such like), someone else was too lazy to go and have a look at it before he bid (or couldn't be asked to have a look underneath), now he found out it's a heap. It's clearly a heap, but then jeez, don't buy it. forget the legalitys and consequences, either flog it or re-chassis it and chalk it up as experience. Or do I sound harsh? Daan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 What Daan said. Caveat emptor. I personally think that if you're stupid enough to buy something like this, you deserve all you get. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Its also THE thing that goes wrong with D2's, so if your going to buy one, surely to fk you check to ensure its sound? Its clearly had patchwork done, but it very likely didnt look like the photos when it was on the road. Thats surely come about after lots of beating with a hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 You have to remember lots of people are not interested in mechanics, they don't know the common pitfalls of a particular car. They buy a car they want to tow a horse with or whatever with an mot with no advisories and don't contemplate that it could be that bad. I agree with buyer beware with used cars and if I bought one without looking underneath and at the next mot it needed a few hundred quids worth of welding I'd think fair enough but I don't see how that car can have gone from mot to mot without it being flagged unless it wasn't a genuine mot or they were going to good lengths to hide it. Of course it's still the owners problem which is why it really amazes me is how many people buy cars off eBay and pay for them without seeing them. I had a friend that sold a bog standard 10 year old 206 on ebay and the people drove 6 hours to get it and 6 hours back - for a 206?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 One google search will tell you what the problems are with any sort of car/house/horse or computer. I sold my 206 on ebay: it went unseen for £1650 to a bloke who lived 20 minutes up the road! I thought that was even more amazing. Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted January 25, 2016 Author Share Posted January 25, 2016 You have to remember lots of people are not interested in mechanics, they don't know the common pitfalls of a particular car. They buy a car they want to tow a horse with or whatever with an mot with no advisories and don't contemplate that it could be that bad. I agree with buyer beware with used cars and if I bought one without looking underneath and at the next mot it needed a few hundred quids worth of welding I'd think fair enough but I don't see how that car can have gone from mot to mot without it being flagged unless it wasn't a genuine mot or they were going to good lengths to hide it. Of course it's still the owners problem which is why it really amazes me is how many people buy cars off eBay and pay for them without seeing them. I had a friend that sold a bog standard 10 year old 206 on ebay and the people drove 6 hours to get it and 6 hours back - for a 206?! I got really lucky with my V8 Disco, bought unseen, I was 1000 kms away, paid for it and had it delivered to me in Belgium.I just found this particularly annoying as there is no way it was safe!!! Imagine putting 2000kilo on the hook an set off for Spain for summer hols to find you left caravan and half the chassis behind after tanking diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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