Arjan Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Now we're using the 110 with the 300 Tdi we find the engine is in need of some serious work to regain power etc. Before taking the thing out and rebuilding it, I was wondering if the 2.8 is worth considering ? I have driven a few and they always felt a bit "rough" but what do the knowledgeable people of this forum think ? And...... where to find one for what sort of money ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I think MD engineering where selling new ones but not sure if they still are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted January 30, 2016 Author Share Posted January 30, 2016 Thanks - they did. Nowadays just parts it seems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landy-Novice Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 food for thourght? he has already dropped price by £500 since stripping bottom end, looks like its spun a shell? easy repair... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Defender-engine-2-8-TGV-/191792666722?hash=item2ca7bbd862:g:3PcAAOSwCypWno08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted January 30, 2016 Author Share Posted January 30, 2016 Thanks for the link - wonder why I couldn't find it... 100.000 kms, knocking sound, shell(s) problem and ..... "engine now in Germany" Interesting add but too much money for a "project engine" that sits on the ground, can't be heard running etc. Hope people with the 2.8 come by and give their honest opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrycol Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Cant you buy a 2.8 kit that takes a standard 300TDI engine out to 2.8litres. I remember seeing an ad a few years back with all the parts in the kit laid out. Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Cant you buy a 2.8 kit that takes a standard 300TDI engine out to 2.8litres. I remember seeing an ad a few years back with all the parts in the kit laid out. Garry Assuming the oil pump is the same, then you'd just nee the crank shaft, con rods and pistons (I'd guess the pistons are different in their gudgeon pin position). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrycol Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Yes the kit I remember seeing was exactly that and few more bits and pieces. In fact I think I saw this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/300Tdi-Engine-Upgrade-From-2-5-Litre-To-2-8-Litre-/171165596323 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacr2man Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 why not use the opportunity to up 1 better http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-3-0-Td6-Engine-M57-With-Pump-And-Injectors-Land-Rover-Range-Rover-/111888789328?hash=item1a0d176f50:g:PuYAAOSwo3pWgslU quite an easy conversion , if you have the r380 already 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daslandroverman Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Either that or find another SL35. You know how good they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 "....find another SL35..." I feel the urge to cry..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daslandroverman Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I understand M&D are still able to get hold of new ones. I suppose you don't want to know about how mine is doing now either? ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 New ones ??? Yes - please tell me how yours is ! I like to suffer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSD Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 My 2.8TGV was bought new from M&D, something like ten years ago.At the time I was covering 100 miles/day, usually 7 days/week and reliability was my number one concern. For the price difference at the time, a new 300tdi made more sense than a recon, and the premium for the 2.8 wasn't enough to scare me off from blowing all the overtime I was earning The only thing I found 'rough' about it is the power delivery. That's down to haveing purely mechanical control of the turbo. It could fairly easily be fixed with some electronics, though I've never bothered.Dunno what else to say about it - its been worth every penny, and I'd do it all again.I could have easily fitted 3 or 4 engines from rusty discos and still have saved money.What I got was a near standard engine and drivetrain, with a significant lift in performance, using almost all standard LR parts. That's good for sourcing parts when away from home, and to some extent maybe benefits from all those development miles LR put in, more than using a different engine and or gearbox. Is it worth trying to find one... only you can answer that, only you can decide your criteria and your budget... but if you come across a well priced low mileage one you don't want, I've got a corner of the garage that would give it a home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 Thanks - this is the sort of opinion I'd like to hear. As some may know, I've had a few 3.5 Tdi Mazda engines in both RRC and 110 CSW and love the conversion - esp. mated to a ZF.... Strong & simple. However, they are getting very hard to find - good ones that is. I've been looking around for alternatives as the 300 Tdi in the 110 is well used, does the job - just - but is an unknown quantity. Obviously, the 300 Tdi can be rebuild / overhauled / etc. but still is in standard form around 110 - 120 BHP and just a bit more would be nice. That's what the Mazda 's did so well : just a bit more power, more toque and no oil leaks.. In Holland, the conversion was about € 7.000 + VAT at the time and that is serious money. In France I have yet to see one for sale and also in the UK they are not often around looking for a new home so I have no idea what money they do nowadays.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSD Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Thats about the price I remember paying too - I think it was 6500 GBP all in. A lot of money, but when you remember that included new gen. parts injection pump, injectors, and all the ancillaries, the premium over a good recon wasn't anywhere near as big as it sounds. The power and torque gains don't sound huge, but when new, the 2.8 could pull 33" tyres and GKN overdrive uphill at 80, and make a 130 clutch smell at the same time. Another, maybe less interesting, option is that brand new MWM-International built 300tdis are still available from M&D, in stripped form. Again it costs more than a good rebuild, but you know it's all new. I helped to fit one for another forum member a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Are the 3.0 litre versions of the MWM-International lump available? I know they are in the US of A.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daslandroverman Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 New ones ??? Yes - please tell me how yours is ! I like to suffer... Ok then, going very well, especially now it's running with a Td5 radiator and intercooler. It's also had the wastegate tweaked and the fuelling turned up, going as well if not better than when it had the 4.2 V8. A recent swop to a 1.2 ratio transfer box has made it quieter, given it longer legs, and it still goes well. To make you feel better, it needs the head off and a set of rings, which I'm hoping will curtail oil consumption, and perhaps make it go even better. Happily I've been pointed in the direction of someone who sells parts cheaper than M&D, enough I can get a full gasket set and rings delivered for less than £200. Some positives in it all anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted February 1, 2016 Author Share Posted February 1, 2016 Thank you very, very much... Great to hear yours is doing well - and better soon ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSD Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 The 3.0 powerstroke is/was available, unfortunately the ECU was not, last time I looked, without buying a complete vehicle. suitably equipped Ford Rangers can be bought on the South American equivalent of ebay for about 5k, not that I've looked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwakers Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 another good candidate for microsquirt maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPLP Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I feel this topic is something that is going to come up more and more over the next few years as good 300s become harder and harder to get... H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 You think 300's are difficult to find... try 200's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 One needs to have patience.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 One needs to have patience....That said, it's not often you look for something unless you need it, although buying a bad one and rebuilding it is a sound investment if you suspect your original to be nearing it's demise.Something I considered but found a 200Tdi engine alone to be only slightly cheaper than a complete but rotten 200Tdi Discovery! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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