Bowie69 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 I think it needs to be "build" where they can do it for the best quality / retail price. "Building" it outside the EU in a "3rd country" makes it more expensive for the EU market (Import Duty 10/20/25 %). IF that is where they think they'll be selling most (EU) it makes sense - if they think US is the place to sell, they'll do it there. Also, the EU has many trade agreements with most countries on trade, tariffs, homologations and sorts of legal rulings making trade easier. Where to "build" is a matter of logistics, costs, politics and all that - not a lot of room for emotions I'm afraid... And, let's face it, "build" is really not the word IMHO for this as most components (engines, transmissions, axles, chassis) are made elsewhere and it is more a logistical puzzle and putting it together... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 More pertinently ... Isn't it about time we invaded France now that we have these Longbows ? Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzar Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 11 hours ago, Mo Murphy said: More pertinently ... Isn't it about time we invaded France now that we have these Longbows ? Mo You say that as if it belonged to them. I'd say it's more a case of restoring the original government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Gazzar said: You say that as if it belonged to them. I'd say it's more a case of restoring the original legitimate government. 😉 Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 We had a French government from 1066 for rather a long time - we’re all half French. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 15, 2020 Author Share Posted August 15, 2020 We could just have Calais, the plant is near there, right? We could solve the people trafficking problem at the same time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 5:09 PM, Anderzander said: We had a French government from 1066 for rather a long time - we’re all half French. I'll pass on the French if you dont mind. My DNA shows me to be more German than even the most obvious candidate of British or Irish 🤪 So, back to invading France ... Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 5:20 PM, Bowie69 said: We could just have Calais, the plant is near there, right? We could solve the people trafficking problem at the same time. They want to come to the UK not work. Mo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Mo Murphy said: They want to come to the UK not work. Mo Hmm, I kinda meant by owning Calais we could at least stop the gangs loading people into boats at 20K a pop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, Bowie69 said: Hmm, I kinda meant by owning Calais we could at least stop the gangs loading people into boats at 20K a pop. Ah, I thought you meant they could be employed in the factory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Look at the build quality of Peugeot and Renault, look at French labour law and their propensity for strikes. It’d be like asking a European manufacturer to set up a plant in a 1970 BL factory with BL staff... I think that answers the question well enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 16 hours ago, Mo Murphy said: Ah, I thought you meant they could be employed in the factory! Slave labour? I suppose it does have some upsides.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Bowie69 said: Slave labour? I suppose it does have some upsides.... Such a coarse term for overseas employees. Mo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Finally watched the video until the end. What do we know about the smart car factory in France ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartville,_Hambach,_France https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/mercedes-benz-sell-smart-factory-france https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaSite/en/instance/ko/Production-The-Hambach-plant---quality-and-efficiency-in-one.xhtml?oid=9905219 Smart production of the new model is going to China; Daimler need to keep the existing staff employed or the French State will be wanting its pound of flesh; Magna is there already; there is a fair bit of space around the Smart plant. Quality was OK, staff costs are above average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Thanks really interesting reading that - as recently as 2018 they invested a big chunk of money in it. So it would seem that financial pressures or opportunity (sale to China) changed their direction. One of those articles says wages were lower than the German site considered as an alternative at the time of building. As you say too - one of the Ineos Delivery Partners on site already would be a boon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Just reading a bit more: Hambach is right on the border with Germany - Hambach forest and Castle are over the German Border. That region, Moselle, actually has German as a dominant language and culture. Its also apparently within a few km of one of the Ineos Chemical Plants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 The Telegraph are suggesting its nearer to being a done deal:- Jim Radcliffe's Ineos set to make Defender rival in France Also, V8 production moving from Bridgend to Wolverhampton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 JLR have bought the AJV8 production machine toolsline & rights & will be moving it to their engine factory near Telford alongside the M54. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 3 hours ago, jeremy996 said: The Telegraph are suggesting its nearer to being a done deal:- Jim Radcliffe's Ineos set to make Defender rival in France Big shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 ... and suddenly its - Grenadier ? Meh. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted September 5, 2020 Author Share Posted September 5, 2020 More news... https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-8698047/Ineos-Grenadier-certainly-built-France-not-Wales.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Looks that that's all over as there was an announcement on the Ineos Grenadier Facebook page:- https://www.facebook.com/INEOSGrenadier "We can confirm today that we have acquired the manufacturing facility at Hambach from Mercedes-Benz and will start to build the Grenadier there in late 2021. Hambach is the ideal facility for production of the Grenadier. One of Europe’s most modern automotive manufacturing sites, it is home to a highly experienced and capable workforce, has an excellent track record amongst Mercedes plants for the quality of its output, and recently benefited from a major investment to enable the production of larger vehicles. Manufacturing at Hambach ensures that we remain on track to meet our plans to deliver the Grenadier to customers in early 2022." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy50 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 At least it’ll be well made 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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