landroversforever Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Junglie said: Interesting - ever since I've had it it's been like driving in a 1950's movie... I seem to find myself moving the wheel about an eighth of a turn constantly, either to stay in a straight line or to take up slack before anything happens... Is it not supposed to be like that? 1 hour ago, Bowie69 said: Nope, not really.... Sounds like steering box to me. It should track well and not need constant inputs other than in relation to the high speed driving you're doing That sort of movement for me was a bit of slack in the drop arm to steering box spline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffR Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) My V8 suffered from the dreaded wobble (adrenaline really is brown and smelly), replaced both steering uj's, drop arm ball joint, track rot ends, well nearly everything. Was still wobbling, only got rid of it by replacing the lower shaft (RTC4783), could find nothing obviously wrong with the old one, but if one swapped it back in, the wobble came back. Edited May 10, 2023 by JeffR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightpot Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 5 hours ago, tommobot said: More stupid questions... I recently noticed, and felt a bit of play in the steering, which appeared to be the bottom UJ. New UJ ordered, and wheel wobble seemsed to reduce slightly perhaps.. maybe. Anyway, I did about 200miles with the new UJ, and some mild off roading aswell, looked at joint again and there seems to be minor play in the splines and the UJ itself. If I do the bolts up guarantunly tight it disappears, are the splines on the central shaft known for wearing down? PS. Photo not of my shaft' 😆 It might be your new joint to blame if it was a 'budget" part -the shaft splines don't tend to wear in my experience. Make sure you've got no movement in the splines though as that will accelerate wear with horrible results.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossberg Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Don't forget wheel balancing. You may have lost a weight or a wheel has become defective. Try swapping front wheels for back and take for a drive. Costs nowt but time in changing wheels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 6 hours ago, Mossberg said: Don't forget wheel balancing. You may have lost a weight or a wheel has become defective. Try swapping front wheels for back and take for a drive. Costs nowt but time in changing wheels. That crossed my mind - it's another thing to check... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 16 hours ago, JeffR said: My V8 suffered from the dreaded wobble (adrenaline really is brown and smelly), replaced both steering uj's, drop arm ball joint, track rot ends, well nearly everything. Was still wobbling, only got rid of it by replacing the lower shaft (RTC4783), could find nothing obviously wrong with the old one, but if one swapped it back in, the wobble came back. This is the sort of thing I'm hoping to avoid. Already replacing engine, gearbox, transfer box, seats, switchgear, radiator (fans at least), heater controls, door cards, window mechanisms and guides, door frames (partial), roof, tailgate, wheels (done)... Like I said, Trigger's broom. But it's going to be great when it's finished. Now it's just mostly great... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Posted May 23, 2023 Author Share Posted May 23, 2023 This is embarrassing, but I'm sharing it because while the easiest way to learn is by your mistakes, the cheapest way is by hearing about someone else's... So. Today I needed to collect about a ton of turf and topsoil All little roads, so no big speeds and anythingthing nasty shouldn't manifest itself and I can sort it when I have the engine and box out and everything is exposed... Going around a roundabout it feels really dodgy. Difficult to describe, but almost like it wants to roll. And I'm only doing about 20 because it's tight. So I pull over into a convenient layby and have a look around. Nothing obvious, except...wait a sec. Those wheel nuts look... The passenger side wheelnuts have about 10mm free play. All of them. Obviously I can't tighten them properly because the truck is resting on the studs so I jack it up...and the whole thing falls off, complete with the spacer behind. A bit of swearing and I separate the two, check the threads aren't borked (they aren't, put it all back together and lo and behold - there's no death weave. Get it home, jack it properly, marvel at the fact that it's already loose again, use Threadlock and a massive torque bar, do the spacer up stupid tight and refit the wheel. Repeat on the other three - backs are both fine, offside front is not as loose but is loose. The mora; of this story. 1 - When you're reading about spacers and several people mention threadlock...don't ignore it. 2 - ALWAYS have a jack and a suitable wheel brace with you, just in case. 3 - Don't forget the locking wheelnut key! I am very, very lucky - that could've been genuinely nasty. Like this: 2a485777-f4fa-4505-b33d-59103e537b86.MP4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Good job you spotted it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Nasty! As you say, the wheel would likely do you little harm, but what about everyone else... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Wheelspacers... Not much else to say really apart from no harm done thank goodness Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Posted May 23, 2023 Author Share Posted May 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, steve b said: Wheelspacers... Not much else to say really apart from no harm done thank goodness Steve I know. But the Boost alloys wouldn't go on without them and the tubed tyres on the steel wheels were all perished and stuopidly expensive to replace and... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 9 hours ago, Junglie said: But the Boost alloys wouldn't go on without them How much spacer do you need to make them fit? We did some very thin ones (<10mm) out of steel plate which worked very well, just slip over the existing studs so no 2nd set of wheel studs/nuts etc. I've never liked the big alloy spacers. Glad you're OK and hopefully found the problem too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Posted May 24, 2023 Author Share Posted May 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, FridgeFreezer said: How much spacer do you need to make them fit? We did some very thin ones (<10mm) out of steel plate which worked very well, just slip over the existing studs so no 2nd set of wheel studs/nuts etc. I've never liked the big alloy spacers. Glad you're OK and hopefully found the problem too! They're 20mm and apart from anything else they make the (currently unassisted) steering a good Bullworker substitute. I'm guessing that the folk in Solihull don't fit spacers on Landys with Boost alloys, so there must be something I can do to make them fit properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Just now, Junglie said: They're 20mm and apart from anything else they make the (currently unassisted) steering a good Bullworker substitute. I'm guessing that the folk in Solihull don't fit spacers on Landys with Boost alloys, so there must be something I can do to make them fit properly? They changed the design of the hubs on later ones. Closer bearing spacing means the hub (and therefore the drive flange bolts) don't stick out so far. I'd pop a wheel on without the spacer and see how far it sits off the face. I've got a pile of (I think) 3mm steel spacer shims I'd be happy to pass some on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Posted May 24, 2023 Author Share Posted May 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, landroversforever said: They changed the design of the hubs on later ones. Closer bearing spacing means the hub (and therefore the drive flange bolts) don't stick out so far. I'd pop a wheel on without the spacer and see how far it sits off the face. I've got a pile of (I think) 3mm steel spacer shims I'd be happy to pass some on. Thanks - I'll do that over the weekend as it has definitely given me cause to worry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 There's some folks who would say that a tidy set of steels look a lot better anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Posted May 24, 2023 Author Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 hour ago, FridgeFreezer said: There's some folks who would say that a tidy set of steels look a lot better anyway And I wouldn't necessarily disagree with them - there's something just right about them. But the Boosts don't look bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossberg Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 I presume you fitted threadlock when you refitted the spacer so would you mind telling me which type (strength)? Also are you sure your spacers are 20mm as I thought they needed to be 30mm to get suitable nuts to fit them. It's lucky you found it when you did as loosing a wheel doesn't bear thinking about! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Are you sure they're boost alloys? I thought boost were the only ones that fit all versions of of the hub and flange without spacers. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 1 hour ago, miketomcat said: Are you sure they're boost alloys? I thought boost were the only ones that fit all versions of of the hub and flange without spacers. Mike I didn't think any alloys fit the earlier hubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossberg Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 I have boost alloys on my 10 spline axle. Whilst they fit, the centre cap doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Posted May 25, 2023 Author Share Posted May 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Mossberg said: I presume you fitted threadlock when you refitted the spacer so would you mind telling me which type (strength)? Also are you sure your spacers are 20mm as I thought they needed to be 30mm to get suitable nuts to fit them. It's lucky you found it when you did as loosing a wheel doesn't bear thinking about! You presume...incorrectly. I made the same mistake - I had the threadlock with me (Loctite Blue) but appear not to have used it. And you're right, they're 30mm spacers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Posted May 25, 2023 Author Share Posted May 25, 2023 4 hours ago, miketomcat said: Are you sure they're boost alloys? I thought boost were the only ones that fit all versions of of the hub and flange without spacers. Mike Hi Mike, Definitely Boost - they're here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 34 minutes ago, Mossberg said: I have boost alloys on my 10 spline axle. Whilst they fit, the centre cap doesn't. Are you sure they're actually sat down on the wheel face correctly? Which type of drive flange bolts have you got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Posted May 25, 2023 Author Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) You're going to have to help me out on this - if it's a pop culture reference it's gone over my head, and if it's specifically Landy I don't know enough. I mean, I don't know enough anyway, but...oh you know what I mean. Edited May 25, 2023 by western ref to a past member hidden & removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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