Milemarker Type S Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Anyone have any particularly clever ways of keeping their plasma winch line attached to their winch drum? I am using 10mm Dyneema Bowrope on my Milemarker and seem to spend most of my life reattaching it. The end of the plasma is held onto the drum via an electrical type terminal crimped to the end which is then held onto the drum by a small bolt. I had lots of problems with the terminal simply coming off the end- I solved this by having it properly crimped on and the net result is that firstly the crimp snapped and then the next time the bolt sheared off... I always make sure that I leave at least 5 wraps of the line on the drum for the capstan effect but I still have problems- any ideas? It would also be nice for me not to have to keep looking at the drum to ensure that the last five wraps are on... Am I asking too much? Shrek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Splice it onto the drum, I.E. a loop around the drum spliced back into the rope. Helps wth safety when you inadvertantly reach the end of your line Either that or run with steel for a month or two - the wire rope wears the drum slightly in such a way that the synthetic line adheres to it quite well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLineMike Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 on my 8274 stuck it through the hole & tied a knot in it, on my Tmaw welded a small bar across the side so the rope goes through it & tie a knot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 on my Tmax welded a small bar across the side so the rope goes through it & tie a knot I believe Gigglepin do something similar on their modded 8274 drums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Bar Cowboy Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Mine never comes off …………. I am using 12mm dyneema…………… the standard drum holds 22m ………….. but I also carry another two 12mm 20m extension ropes and two 10mm 40m ropes. Use the correct size terminal and then once crimped, form it to the curve of the drum. Secure the terminal with a stainless steel button head allen screw (just about the lowest profile you can get)………… get this from Exeter wire & rope at Bakers yard Put 7 or 8 wraps in the drum and secure them with a layer or two of duck tape ……….. then wind on the rest. Remember to purposely cross the rope ………… if you don’t, then a heavy pull will caused the rope to pull through the neat layers and subject the side plates to abnormal loadings………… When pulling rope off the drum you will hear when it gets to the duck tape ……….. usually about a metre from the nearest tree ! Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLineMike Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I beleive Gigglepin do something similar on their modded 8274 drums borrowed seen the idea on another truck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milemarker Type S Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 My drum has previously been used with wire rope- that went in the bin when I bought the winch second hand- and is slightly rough so the rope should grip it- but doesn't... Putting it through a hole and tying a knot would be far too easy, sensible and effective... except that there is a shaft running inside the drum from the motor to the gearbox at the other end so I can't... BBC do you know what size and thread the little bolt is? Shrek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Bar Cowboy Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 contrary to popular belief that the yanks only use imperial threads ............... its either M6 or M4 ............the button head allen screws are about 30p each. if its damaged then just tap a new thread ................ Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Really don't rely on the crimp bolt for any sort of strength, it's not there to winch off, just to hold the end of line. Lewis's spliced loop will be stronger if you ever get that far down the drum (bad idea), and the strength for normal winching will come from BBC's duck taped 7 or 8 turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milemarker Type S Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 To be fair I never checked - just assumed that the Yanks would have used something awkward... 30p!!!... I am not made of money you know! Ta Shrek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Bar Cowboy Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Oh .......... and you don't check your mirrors ................. Sat night you had 750watts of forward facing lights trying to burn a hole in the back of your head ....................and still no acknowledgment ............you went into tesco garage and I went into the shop .........I couldn't stop to say hello as I was late getting onto the shoot...............you get funny looks in Tescos when dressed head to foot in real tree camo............. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milemarker Type S Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 Oh .......... and you don't check your mirrors ................. Sat night you had 750watts of forward facing lights trying to burn a hole in the back of your head ....................and still no acknowledgment ............you went into tesco garage and I went into the shop .........I couldn't stop to say hello as I was late getting onto the shoot...............you get funny looks in Tescos when dressed head to foot in real tree camo............. Now I'm confused... Definitely wasn't me!!- I am definitely a flasher and a waver (to other Landys) I was in Torquay on saturday night at my parents... Must be a Doppleganger on the loose... and his landy better not be nicer than mine Or indeed someone could have stolen it taken it to refuel it and then left it parked neatly where I had left it???? Does this mean that some other Landy driver is now in fear for his life after he was followed by some strange bloke in full camo gear flashing all his lights at him?? Shrek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I have mine spliced back to itself as lewis describes - if I am every lowering out it means I will never get to that point where the vehicle is supported by an M6 machine screw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Bar Cowboy Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Now I'm confused... Definitely wasn't me!!- I am definitely a flasher and a waver (to other Landys) I was in Torquay on saturday night at my parents... Must be a Doppleganger on the loose... and his landy better not be nicer than mine Or indeed someone could have stolen it taken it to refuel it and then left it parked neatly where I had left it????Does this mean that some other Landy driver is now in fear for his life after he was followed by some strange bloke in full camo gear flashing all his lights at him?? Shrek I just assumed it was you from the vehicle …………… only got to see the rear ……………. it approached the town from jetty marsh road , turning left at balls corner roundabout …………. when I say evening ……… I’m talking 5 to 5:30 ish……........dark is evening to me ! Ah well ………….. bet the guy got out at the garage to see what was wrong with the rear end ………… I may well see you on Sat ............... Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milemarker Type S Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 I may well see you on Sat ............... Cool, see you there... - not sure we will be able to see you in full camo though- might not be the best outfit to marshal in!! Shrek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Another vote for gaffer tape, then mark the rope so when it gets spooled out to the max the driver can see the mark from in the cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 i've welded a bar from drum to endplate of drum then just spliced the rope round the bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosZuki Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Yup Gaffer tape, then a few wraps a few meters from the end so you can see when its getting low, Coloured insulting tape can be good for this! Never had the rope come off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Another option is to splice the end into a small loop then pass the other end round the drum two or three times and through the loop so it self-tightens (like a slip knot). This is sufficient to grip the drum and the rope cannot come off accidentally. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 One mine I have done the following : Made sure the drum is roughened and not factory smooth, having had wire on mine that was already done for me Crimped a battery terminal on the end, then flattened it in a vice so to make it more in profile with the plasma, used a HT cap low profile cap head with washer between, lovingly tweaked with a hammer to gain follow the drum profile Added a length of plasma antichaf tubing for 3 foot, the start of which is when 7 turns of plasma are on the drum, this is then heatshrunk inplace - ie when the yellow antichaf appears I have 7 turns left on the drum When fitting the plasma connect to a mate truck, winch in and put on under tension, the 1st 2 wraps delibertaley crossing over themselves as this is the best way to have plasma grip. Continue to put on under load, make sure you cross the plasma over itself all the time - takes practise afte years of putting steel on in cotton reel stylee Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 you get funny looks in Tescos when dressed head to foot in real tree camo............. rolleyes.gif For good reason, Ian Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saley Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Hi, on my milemarker type r's i have welded half a chain link in the middle of the drum push rope through and tie a knot in it, simple, fast and dosn't come of i would post a pic but the camera as been misplaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 When fitting the plasma connect to a mate truck, winch in and put on under tension, the 1st 2 wraps delibertaley crossing over themselves as this is the best way to have plasma grip. Continue to put on under load, make sure you cross the plasma over itself all the time - takes practise afte years of putting steel on in cotton reel stylee Not sure I have ever seen the point of wrapping it on under tension. Soon as it is used in anger it is invraiably not going back on with tension and there are no problems. As for the criss cross method too, this causes pinching of the rope too, albeit not as much. In my view too much is made of this handling with winch rope as in practice it seems to be fine both ways. It's only after side pulls where the rope has bunched up that I will spool out and re-wrap. Just my personal opinion Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Another option is to splice the end into a small loop then pass the other end round the drum two or three times and through the loop so it self-tightens (like a slip knot). This is sufficient to grip the drum and the rope cannot come off accidentally.Si I like this idea - so long as the loop is big enough for your hook and thimble to go through!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general-confusion Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 And if you can thread your hook and thimble through the fairlead ( I know I cant ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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