robhybrid Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 The underdrive is great and takes the strain out of the auto box (clutches/brakes) without the underdrive I have seen auto boxes die with the pressure of severe off roading. keep an eye on oil temp if you run without an underdrive or lower than std ratio diffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Or, get the best of both worlds with Auto + full manual valve body + deep gearing. As the meerkat says: simples They take some getting used to as I found out as the first few times I drove the racer in anger I kept putting it back into first and not third which is a little off putting at 60 odd on a muddy race stage. it changes instantly no ifs or buts and leave nasty seat belt marks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Mark - go try both and decide what you prefer. ^^^ This I reckon you really want a CVT with tiptronic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore101 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 ive been trialling a manual for over a year and when it comes round to building a new truck it'll get an auto (if i can fit it in) manual is alright offroad and with a sensitive foot it will get good results but the shock loadings that can be put on the transmission kill diffs, halfshafts, and props so easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 With auto and manual valve body, do you have the option to switch to fully auto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M005 Posted February 16, 2010 Author Share Posted February 16, 2010 Woke up this morning to find I'd won only my second ever ebay auction and am now the owner of a D1 300TDI Auto. Assuming it's not a lemon, I'd better start making plans to get it off road ready and find the time to use it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Good news! The right truck for you with a young family IMHO. Bumper & tank guard (with tow pack) from Southdown, winch from Bowyer, front diff guard from Gwyn Lewis, rear from QT. That should get you started! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 I'd suggest you should get to like autos quickly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Or slowly, in this case What happened to the 90 you where buying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 With auto and manual valve body, do you have the option to switch to fully auto? No - all the automatic gubbins are thrown in the bin. Put it this way, I like a lot of things about autos but I don't like they shift for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 What happened to the 90 you where buying? Ditto Mark ??? Though the 90 was bought and job done ?? As for man/auto,, all of above,, Under 2.5 lts diesel = Manual Proper offroad engine (V8)= Auto The hybrid was bought, years ago, just because it was auto,, and the trayback, is currently undergoing a V8/auto/underdrive conversion,, as for me, a auto is a must,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M005 Posted February 16, 2010 Author Share Posted February 16, 2010 What happened to the 90 you where buying? Delivery was dragging, giving me time to consider exactly how much use it will get with a 3.5yr old and a 3 month old taking up all of my free time, I concluded that I would get just as much fun out of a less than £1k LR as I would out of a £4.5k one. Horses for courses, I've always had a soft spot for a well sorted Disco, and as this one isn't standing me at ~£9k like my last one, I can do what I want to it as it's disposable at this price. And as Tim knows, the cash saved is going into another vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 And as Tim knows, the cash saved is going into another vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLR100 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 It's quite simple realy, Auto's are for disabled people and manuals are for able-bodied people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 It's quite simple realy, Auto's are for disabled people and manuals are for able-bodied people Who don't know what they are doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 It's quite simple realy, Auto's are for disabled people and manuals are for able-bodied people That's fighting talk, that is. Do you want to step outside, into the ... umm ... Tools and Fab section. Bound to be a weapon handy in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 the shock loadings that can be put on the transmission kill diffs, halfshafts, and props so easily While that might be true, the reliability (or lack off it) of the box itself does make up for this imo. Manual all the way for me, with a ratio low enough to give you all the control you would ever want. Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heath robinson Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Or, get the best of both worlds with Auto + full manual valve body + deep gearing. As the meerkat says: simples Tell me of this wondrous device! Where does it come from, how hard is it to fit, and how much of my soul will I have to trade for it? The manual valve-pack that is, I'm not sure that I'd need the deep gearing. This sounds like the thing that's haunted my dreams since the auto snuck into my truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore101 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 While that might be true, the reliability (or lack off it) of the box itself does make up for this imo. Manual all the way for me, with a ratio low enough to give you all the control you would ever want. Daan have thought about putting the series diffs back in to the rangerover axles i put on which would lower my gearing and give me the control back. but with the series gearbox i dont have much options for ratio changes so then end up with poor cruising gearing again. a well set up manual and decent strength drivetrain is good (and the boxes are so simple that they cant really go wrong unless they're not strong enough) combined with a decent driver, but without using clutch you're never going to be able to get the slow crawl that you can get with an auto which i can see being a big bonus to me doing rtv trials. i think the decision comes down to what sort of offroading you're doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Tell me of this wondrous device! Where does it come from, how hard is it to fit, and how much of my soul will I have to trade for it? The manual valve-pack that is, I'm not sure that I'd need the deep gearing. This sounds like the thing that's haunted my dreams since the auto snuck into my truck. I'm not sure you can get if for a ZF4 autobox - they are the stuff of racers/drag cars normally. You could try Ashcrofts as your first port of call. The thing is I'm not exactly using a gearbox from a Land Rover and it isn't terribly standard - it is rated to 900 bhp..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heath robinson Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 balls. You got my hopes up there. Take the kickdown cable off then, and file the teeth off the gearstick locators. What you're saying, essentially, is that if I want one, I'll need more horsepower... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I'm not sure you can get if for a ZF4 autobox - they are the stuff of racers/drag cars normally. You could try Ashcrofts as your first port of call. The thing is I'm not exactly using a gearbox from a Land Rover and it isn't terribly standard - it is rated to 900 bhp..... ... But how many lb/ft? The shaft in a turbocharger is delivering c.80 horsepower and they're quite spindly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 It's quite simple realy, Auto's are for disabled people and manuals are for able-bodied people based on what experience? or just stirring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 While that might be true, the reliability (or lack off it) of the box itself does make up for this imo. Manual all the way for me, with a ratio low enough to give you all the control you would ever want. Daan ??? Spend more pennies on manuals, rebuilding/repairing/clutches/hydraulics etc,, never any bar oil changes on automatics, Couldn't pay me to drive a antiquated manual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Having never driven one off road but hearing so many experienced people voicing their preference it may well be the better choice but then I have no experience so would have to have a go in one in order to voice a valid opinion, but I would say having seen them in action it would also point to the need for a few more horses than a TDI offers now I have read that on road in a TDI Auto is not a joy to behold, considering I use my 90 for tasks other than pure off road ventures, I would have to consider this in the first instance. The power of a V8 in some form would seem to be the preferred choice or a decent TD5. I guess like Tray backs they are the natural evolution of a dedicated event vehicle. Previously I would have never wanted an Auto road car, now days I can't see the point of not having one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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