Lorrick Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Hi All What I would like to know is how or what can be done to make the locking mechanism work on the rear door, as it just closes unless you are parked o/s down a slope, can the rod/lever springy thing be adjusted on the rear door. Ps. just had a new starter this time, this machine is starting to cost some money :-) Cheers Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy andy. Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Buy, or make a gas prop Brought mine, about £60 Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dads Toy Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 "S'funny mate, they all do that" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehaze Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Andy have you got a pic and description of the strut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 IIRC the retainer bar can be adjusted, but if the door has a large/heavy spare wheel stowed on it, the retainer might be working at it's max holding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorrick Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 It is quite probably the fact it has the spare wheel on it and I use the door 10-20 times a day Gass strut seems the best bet and move the wheel to the roof. Cheers Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richy B Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I have a gas strut on mine and a swing away wheel carrier, no problems holding it open in the past couple of years, and I use the rear door forr a drop down shelf/cooker Got mine as a kit from the overland show, but for the life of me I can't remember who sold um :-/ However a simple angle iron bracket on either end and a measure up of operating lengths combined with a trip to a breakers yard ( hatch back car ) should do the jobby and almost certainly cheaper that the kit from memory :0) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy andy. Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Here http://4x4overlander.com/interior-products/nakatenanga-post-2002-door-stay.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehaze Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Nice but a touch pricey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Pricy compared to a scrap gas strut - but not bad for a new one with a fitting kit! I looked at making a kit for this - but didn't think anybody would pay for them at the best price I could buy a suitable strut! Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richy B Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Landy Andy, that's the jobby I have, was expensive but I'm sure if you researched the strut it might be cheaper ?? As I say thoughim happy wiv mine :-) yet again , just a shame it's not a std fitment :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejparrott Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 If its the same door strap I think you're talking about, drill a hole in the top of the runner for the plastic blocks, and drop a nail in when you want ot keep it open. If its not that, then I need a picture to understand what it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehaze Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Pricy compared to a scrap gas strut - but not bad for a new one with a fitting kit! I looked at making a kit for this - but didn't think anybody would pay for them at the best price I could buy a suitable strut! Si Si, if you were selling them for that price I'd have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy andy. Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 As I mentioned, I paid £59 for mine as i was looked after. It is very very well made, fits the standard holes, has all the spacers and fixings required, I could not of asked for more. It would be great at £40-£50, but that's life, and people need to make a living. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I use a bungy strap. Simple and cheap. One day I have ideas to put a hook there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickcutter85 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 MUD Stuff 4x4 do one at £75.00 but its british and I like the quality of their products! I have not bought one yet but it will be on the do do list at some stage. I have been looking for a system like on Vans or old toyotas (if my memory serves me) where there is a metal bar and it locks the door open and to release you have to take the pressure off it and flick it to the runner channel. Does anyone know what I am on about? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Poore Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I have a spare wheel carrier (Bearmach through paddocks or something like that) that bolts onto the door. If you don't grease everything up then it locks into place nicely - plus gets the spare wheel off the door hinges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I have a spare wheel carrier (Bearmach through paddocks or something like that) that bolts onto the door. If you don't grease everything up then it locks into place nicely - plus gets the spare wheel off the door hinges. That sounds like one for Britpart! Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Poore Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 That sounds like one for Britpart! Si Probably (was given it as a present) - does the job though, people get a bit of a shock when they try and open it and it's a bit stiff but given I spent quite a lot of the summer with it parked sideways on a 1 in 3 loading logs in the back door it was quite handy that it could stay open even with the spare on (not massive but substantial being a 265x75R16). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwilliams Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Does anyone have any idea what the spring rate (force) on the gas spring used for this application needs to be? The fitting metal work should be fairly easy to make for this job, and I can easily work out the dimensions of the strut required, but the force will be guess work unless anyone knows any batter. Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 You could work it out! I'd guess at the door weighing 100kg with a spare tyre, acting around the mid-point of the door - say 50cm from the hinge. It would be reasonable to be able to hold the door open on say a 1:10 slope? If the vehicle were on it's side, the torque trying to close the door would be 1000N x 0.5m = 500Nm. On a 1:1 slope, 250Nm and on a 1:10, 25Nm. If say the gas strut were attached to the door 10cm from the hinge - that means at full extension it would have to deliver 25Nm / 0.1m = 250N Force. The rate of a gas strut is not quite the same as for a regular spring - as it will increase as the spring is compressed and the gas pressure increases. The typical values for rate are in the 1.1 to 1.5 range, meaning that at full compression you get 1.1 to 1.5 times the force of full extension. You generally specify a strut by the diameter, stroke and force. I can't remember if this is the max or min force but with a rate of 1.3, it's not going to be all that different end to end. In this example, I would specify a 250N strut. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonendersby Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Ive just used a piece of rope tied to the inside grab handle with a clip on the end. The clip just hooked on the rear light guard or when not in use clipped back to the handle. Ill be using the same on my latest 110 when I get the light guards. Or an eye bolt will do. Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwilliams Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 You could work it out! Why would I need to when I have you to do it for me! :-) Thanks for that, Simon. (Incidentally, that inverter is now installed and working - I'll e-mail you some pics when I have a moment). Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I wouldn't take 250N as being the Gospel answer! It's only the result of numbers easy to calculate in ones head. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwilliams Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I've bought a strut with a variable force between 40 and 400N, so I'll report back when I've got it working (or not, as the case may be). Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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