Simon Smith Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Ok, so I have a pile of very large logs and a splitting Maul. Too much like hard work me thinks. But as I know many of you have hydraulic winches driven by the PAS pump, I wondered if anyone had added a spool valve to the system? Sounds like a future project to me, might need a bigger fluid tank, but otherwise can't see why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 It will be painfully slow, hydraulic winches driven by the steering pump are really slow. Quite a few people have added PTO or engine driven pumps for log splitters though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Idris Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Safer and easier to add a second PS pump if you have a spare pulley? But PTO kit is definately good, and way more power. Could be at the back or on the front of the engine. Depends how much tinkering you want to do. You could even just use the landy as a 12 volt supply and drive a tipper pump? Have a hunt round YouTube for ideas, there is some neat side ways stuff on there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKqW_VqMYfs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big.Mike Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I could think of easier ways to loose a hand or two... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Smith Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 I might just look for another pump and stick it on the garden tractor instead then. Still like the idea of being able to split logs before bringing them home though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g90 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 This is a nice example http://www.log-rover.co.uk/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Though not particularly Land Rover related, the coolest log splitter I've seen used what looked like a giant wood screw powered by a motor with a flywheel. You drop the logs on to the pointy end - and they just exploded into fragments! Small logs turned into kindling where bigger ones were just split into 3 or 4 smaller bits. It was very simple and looked home built. I have lots of logs to split and it's on my 'to build' list! Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 That log rover is a beauty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 The LogRover is possibly one of the most dangerous things I've ever seen - I love it. Failure mode: "Well, the string tangled in the propshaft so I went to grab it, but I tipped the workbench over. What happened next is a bit of a blur, but I think the prop UJ went to 90 degrees and bound up, so it flung the workbench round three quarters of a turn, and then jammed against the floor and the side of the Rover, which hopped off the axle stand and started driving around the woodyard. Luckily I was catapulted clear of the developing wreckage." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I built a log splitter, I had the idea of using it both with its own engine and off the pto on the 90, though the pto isn't yet fitted. Anyway it has it's own engine and pump, to be honest don't think it'll ever be hooked up to the 90, the only advantage would be speed but unless your splitting huge amounts to sell I wouldnt be too fussed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steve b Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Thats a neat build Mike , what size pump and engine are you running there? cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 It's a 13hp Honda copy, running an 8cc pump, The pumps a little small to be honest but it does ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie D Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I've a tractor mounted / hydraulic powered one, unfortunatley 150 miles away afrom where I live, on the mother in laws farm. It can struggle sometimes and isn't the quickeset of things tbh so I think you'd prob struggle running it off the steering pump. I'd vote for a setup like mikec has ^^^^^^, thinking about making something similar myself so mine can be dual purpose / adaptable & becomes portable, I've a spare 4 stroke engine stiing here and the reains of an old trailer chassis to bolt it too. Otherwise if I run out of time at the farm /or wood whilst at home for the log burner I use a combination of large felling axe, log grenade (google it), sledge, chopping block ( nice comfortable height) with an old tyre on it to stop the log falling off - much better than splitting maul . Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 How do you find the log grenade? I got one and although it splits stubborn logs it isn't quick. Ive had a few mauls firstly cheapo ones that kept breaking, then bought a stihl one, a million times better, not a lot it doesn't split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I tried a log grenade and didn't get on with it, I prefer a normal splitting wedge as you can direct the split where you want it. I was given an old splitting wedge that is actually sharp unlike the cheap ones you seem to see nowadays. I normally use a felling axe for logs that are easy to split and a hydraulic log splitter for the stubborn stuff, the felling axe has a far quicker cycle time than the log splitter .... if you split the log in the first hit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Yeah I find the same if it's only smallish stuff I have a little hand axe about 15" long handle can split loads using that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie D Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Mike It's good for stuborn stuff, but as yourself & CwazyWabbit have suggested it often has a mind of it's own lol.. But will split real knotty stuff. 70% of what I cut / split & burn is ash - so the axe is usually alot faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 It's a 13hp Honda copy, running an 8cc pump, The pumps a little small to be honest but it does ok The ZF74 'steering pump' is supposedly rated at 10.5lpm, not sure at what rpm that is. I wonder how that compares to the 8cc pump you are running? What RPM are you running your engine at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I'll find the exact specs tomorrow but I think it works out about 28lpm at full revs, which i think is about 3000rpm, though it isn't too bad at tickover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 If that is the case then it gives an indication of how much slower a powersteering pump would be as a ZF74 is supposed to be a power steering pump on steroids and by your figures it would be only a third of the speed of your pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 For what it's worth I wouldn't bother with the power steering setup, the only extra part needed to have a splitter like mine is the engine and pump, think I paid 250 for mine on ebay, just not worth the hassle in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Idris Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 ZF steering pump will in therory be 1600psi there abouts, where as the hydraulic pump could be 3000psi. So the power steer pump splitter would need near twice the ram surface area and travel half as fast. (ish). I would think 20 litre/min at full hydraulic pressure would be a good starting point? As above, an ebay engine is probably as cheap as PTO kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Sounds like you'd be as quick splitting with a bottle jack as a ZF74 then Which also explains why it runs the milemarker so slowly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Smith Posted September 2, 2012 Author Share Posted September 2, 2012 Don't know the spec of the pas pump on the Ford 8210, but that could turn the front wheels from lock to lock as fast as you could spin the wheel at tickover. The ram was about 2-1/2" diameter so must have had a decent flow rate. Looked like a scaled up Landy pump about 6" diameter and 10" long. Ok found it in the handbook PAS pump 1600psi no flow rate given Hydraulic pump (the one that fits in the palm of your hand) 2500 psi 38.9Ltr/min. Now being as the PAS pump is twice the size and much less powerful, I can only assume the extra size was to give it a high flow rate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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