smallfry Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I know this has probably been done to death before, and is old news to most of you, BUT Is the spring assisted clutch pedal as fitted to 300s and TD5s worth fitting to older vehicles ? Does it actually make much difference ? I have never driven a Disco, so do they also have heavy clutches, surely they dont ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Hancock Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Well it certainly made my 109" clutch lighter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litch Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I fitted one recently. I never found the original pedal heavy but I was doing so much to the vehicle at the time anyway (galvanised bulkhead, new clutch etc) that another £35 for a brand-new genuine-parts complete pedal assembly didn't seem like much especially as it meant I didn't have to paint the old one to smarten it up. Made a noticable difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 definitely worth fitting, I've had a 300tdi pedal in my '89 110 since late 1994, I wouldn't go back to the original pedal unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sighnbox Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Did this exact job less than four month ago and YES well worth doing ( did fit new clutch master and slave cylinder at the same time) BIG DIFFRENCE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I fitted one recently. I never found the original pedal heavy but I was doing so much to the vehicle at the time anyway (galvanised bulkhead, new clutch etc) that another £35 for a brand-new genuine-parts complete pedal assembly didn't seem like much especially as it meant I didn't have to paint the old one to smarten it up. Made a noticable difference. Where did you get yours from Litch. For £35, i might as well do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 mine came from LR dealer, cost 35 quid over back in 1994 too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluespanner Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 My '86 110 has one and it's brill. Don't get cramp in my left leg any more either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I got one from billing a couple of years back, £10 it cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallfry Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 Any advance on £10 ? Thanks guys, sounds like a good bet then. I actually want it for my County 90 V8, even though the clutch IS lighter than the diesel to use, its still killing my creaking hip joint Years ago I rigged up a power assisted clutch using a Hillman hunter remote servo, but they are a bit thin on the ground now. Worked a treat though. VERY light, but you couldnt really feel the biting point. Only other option is to go Auto I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I got the spring a few months ago, but fitting it stumped me, well had an ephiphany about 4hrs ago and fitted it no problem - without may I add taking the whole pedal assembly apart... in fact I didn't remove anything. when I moved the car back around to its parking spot, I nearly planted the pedal through the bottom of the bulkhead, its certainly a fair bit noticably lighter. well chuffed, should help city driving. Mav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Any advance on £10 ? Thanks guys, sounds like a good bet then. I actually want it for my County 90 V8, even though the clutch IS lighter than the diesel to use, its still killing my creaking hip joint Years ago I rigged up a power assisted clutch using a Hillman hunter remote servo, but they are a bit thin on the ground now. Worked a treat though. VERY light, but you couldnt really feel the biting point. Only other option is to go Auto I guess there is a clutch pedal servo called Redbooster, there was a thread about it a few weeks back. this one http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=74631&hl=redbooster & this one about lighter clutch pedal http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=73493&page=2&hl=redbooster#entry628880 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I got the spring a few months ago, but fitting it stumped me, well had an ephiphany about 4hrs ago and fitted it no problem - without may I add taking the whole pedal assembly apart... in fact I didn't remove anything. when I moved the car back around to its parking spot, I nearly planted the pedal through the bottom of the bulkhead, its certainly a fair bit noticably lighter. well chuffed, should help city driving. Mav Mav, is this a spring that fits the earlier pedal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Mav, is this a spring that fits the earlier pedal? As far as I can see it will only fit the pedal arms that are stamped out of a single plate (later type), as apposed to the early folded steel type... Again I had a think, and I see that the pedal is restrained by a return spring, if you stretch/tamper with this I recon I'd be able to get the clutch even lighter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 The old setup has a big return spring thats always acting to push the pedal back out, thus when depressed your leg is fighting both the clutch pressure plate, and the return spring. The 300tdi spring is an over-centre arrangement, where once you tip it past a certain point, it actually helps you push the pedal down. I think if your using the 300tdi spring, you dont also need the original return spring. When you release the pedal, the pressure plate pushes the pedal back so far then the 300tdi spring takes over and pulls it the rest of the way out, thus the original spring isnt needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I fitted the 300Tdi pedal assembly to my V8 90 years ago, and it did make a noticeable difference. However it still wasn't enough to save my clutch knee from the effects of a day's driving. Heavy traffic or off road driving, not sure which was worse. In the end I opted to remove the clutch pedal all together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 so you basically just buy this: http://www.lrdirect.com/SKB500280-Pedal-Clutch/?sfi=SKB500280 and swap the master cylinder over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 For reference ... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stage1v8/Technical110PedalMods.htm (Not mine by the way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sighnbox Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Mine was from Local delership £33.69 ....so few pence more than the kit mod listed above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgasmic Farmer Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Everyone says my clutch pedal is heavy. I can't say I have ever noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 The old setup has a big return spring thats always acting to push the pedal back out, thus when depressed your leg is fighting both the clutch pressure plate, and the return spring. The 300tdi spring is an over-centre arrangement, where once you tip it past a certain point, it actually helps you push the pedal down. I think if your using the 300tdi spring, you dont also need the original return spring. When you release the pedal, the pressure plate pushes the pedal back so far then the 300tdi spring takes over and pulls it the rest of the way out, thus the original spring isnt needed. Yeah I engaged brain and took the other "return" spring off this evening. I think you need one spring on or another as its there to take up any slack in the pedal movment. Anywhoo, greatly improved pedal lightneing, much closer to the realms of a car feel which is appreciated... Mav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I only ever have issue with the clutch when stuck in traffic on some god-forsaken motorway somewhere. Otherwise it's no problem as I do very little urban driving. In fact when the slave cylinder went on my car the other week I was able to drive 15 miles of my 18 mile commute in one gear, so it's not as if I'm changing all the time Still, I have a "spring-assisted" clutch pedal box in the garage somewhere (thanks Ross!)... so next time I have need to remove the one on the car that one will be going back on instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litch Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Where did you get yours from Litch. For £35, i might as well do it. Bought it earlier this year from Ribble Valley 4x4. I was shopping around and they were the cheapest by far, genuine part as well. After them MPS Trading are the cheapest, buy direct (not via Ebay) and they will do you a better price. Just to avoid confusion, this wasn't just the spring (that is over £20 on its own!) but the whole assembly. Just bolted on a new master-cylinder, fitted a foot-rubber and on it went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I only ever have issue with the clutch when stuck in traffic on some god-forsaken motorway somewhere. Otherwise it's no problem as I do very little urban driving. In fact when the slave cylinder went on my car the other week I was able to drive 15 miles of my 18 mile commute in one gear, so it's not as if I'm changing all the time Still, I have a "spring-assisted" clutch pedal box in the garage somewhere (thanks Ross!)... so next time I have need to remove the one on the car that one will be going back on instead. Totally agree, but nearly got a new job which will mean more city type driving so quite keen to make it a little more traffic driveable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiny Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I would give it a shot if I were you. For a whole year I felt a discomfort in my groin which felt worse when I drove my 90 for longer periods. I was getting worried that it may have been a hernia. A friend of mine had a surplus spring assisted pedal. I fitted it and the discomfort disappeared the next day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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