Land Rovers to pay to go any where in London

[reb78]

No offence taken, as you say even LR acknowledge it's a mess!! just thought the names may be useful to people trying to get TFL to listen, another point to note was once he had spoken to the DVLA he spoke again to TFL who told him that even if the DVLA changed the status it could take up to three months for them to recognise this as that was the frequency of their database update.

Jason

(again, not meaning to shoot the messenger ) I agree, it is a complete mess! As for all pre '98 vehicles being commercial, how can this be since many are registered PLG, and doesnt the point at which vat is paid on a vehicle determine its status?? I have the receipt for my 1989 110 and vat was paid on this like any other private car. Its all very confusing.

As an addition, if you do get the dvla to change the classification of the vehicle, rather than wait for tfl to update their database, register the vehicle with them using their form which can be downloaded from their site and this speeds the process up. There is a section on the form asking about the vehicle - minibus/van/showmans vehicle etc, just strike a line through this and note that it is irrelevant as your land rover is none of these, but it is a private car.

[Ian Barrett]

Thanks for the answer about '4C' - as mine is indeed a 4 Cylinder thats all fine.

As mine was a panel van type I guess 90 4C Reg means I won't have problems with the softtop because nobody seems to properly understand the REG bit anyway, it could have originally been a Truck Cab or Panel Van as far as I can tell. I'll just need to mention it when I insure it (currently SORN'd)

I've been and checked the plate in the engine bay, it says

......2400

......5900

1 ... 1200

2 ... 1380

So I guess my 'real' revenue weight is 2400 and that should be put in box 22 on the V5

I might as well check the engine number while I'm at it, seeing as it had a new engine about 10 years ago but I can't remember if I told anyone

[crclifford]

Thanks for the answer about '4C' - as mine is indeed a 4 Cylinder thats all fine.

As mine was a panel van type I guess 90 4C Reg means I won't have problems with the softtop because nobody seems to properly understand the REG bit anyway, it could have originally been a Truck Cab or Panel Van as far as I can tell. I'll just need to mention it when I insure it (currently SORN'd)

I've been and checked the plate in the engine bay, it says

......2400

......5900

1 ... 1200

2 ... 1380

So I guess my 'real' revenue weight is 2400 and that should be put in box 22 on the V5

I might as well check the engine number while I'm at it, seeing as it had a new engine about 10 years ago but I can't remember if I told anyone

Just make sure you are explictly clear to DVLA that you are changing the GVW and the engine number (if you have to) and nothing to do with the engine capacity. When i had to change the engine number on the 90 i also did the weight, for the MOT adn they intially thought i was changing the engine size to 2400 rather than changing the weight to 2400kg!!

As covered else where, send a photo of the plate with VIN to them when you send the V5 back and that should suffice for the GVW. Engine number, may require a letter or reciept etc from a garage to say it has been installed correctly etc, which may be difficult if you had it done 10 years ago!!

HTH

[landroversforever]

When I did mine, I sent a picture of the plate along with the V5 and a covering letter explaining. (This was also the time I bought the truck) Took them about 6 weeks to get it back to me

[MJIbex]

See below:-

London Low Emission Zone (LEZ) – Clarification of affected Land Rover models

The London Low Emission Zone (LEZ) was first introduced in 2008. Vehicles which are subject to the LEZ must either meet certain emission standards, or pay a £100 daily charge to drive in Greater London.

Initially, the LEZ applied only to HGVs and coaches, but this is due to change on 3 January 2012, when existing standards for HGVs and coaches will become stricter. Larger vans, minibuses and other specialist diesel vehicles will be given LEZ standards to meet for the first time. On this basis, some Land Rover models are affected:

•

Pre-02MY Defenders are subject to LEZ, except 98MY to 02MY Defenders homologated as an 'estate' (90 Station Wagon / 110 Station Wagon 9 seat) this will be indicated on the vehicle registration document (V5C). Memo: The DVLA is aware that some 90 Station Wagon / 110 Station Wagon 9 seat have been described as ‘light 4x4 utility’ on the V5C. For owners of 90 Station Wagon / 110 Station Wagon 9 seat whose vehicles are described as 'light 4x4 utility' and have a date of manufacture after 1998, the DVLA will amend the certificate to show ‘estate’. Customers are asked to forward the V5C to the DVLA, signed, dated and marked with the appropriate change to ‘estate’. They will then amend the vehicle record and issue a new V5C."

•

Other Pre-01MY Land Rover Commercial Vehicles (e.g. Freelander 1, Discovery and Discovery Series 2) are also subject to LEZ. This is also applies to conversions e.g. Motor-home, Ambulances (including Range Rover derived conversions).

•

Vehicles constructed before 1973 are classed as historic, and are therefore exempt from the LEZ.

For further information please visit www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/lezFor lez.

Mark

[gazelle]

The first glimmer of hope for a while.

Thank you for finding that Mark.

Where did it come from?

Martin

[Retroanaconda]

So basically they're telling all pre-1998MY owners to foxtrot osxcar. Considering the amount of such vehicles which are 'Estates' on the V5C I think that's a bit of a joke, but never mind.

If I need to go near London I'll have to take the Series III or borrow a car from someone

[CwazyWabbit]

I hope it snows Long and Hard this winter..... I'm not bitter honest!

Right, time to look for a smokey Discovery TDI .... although knowing my luck they'll just apply the LEZ to private cars as well in a few years

Actually maybe I'll just look for a pre '73 .... I don't like those new fangled fast cars

[Simon Smith]

So why have they decided that vehicles built from '73 to '98 should have different rules applied to them? Yes let's have London completely snowbound next winter. I will tow the cars to the top of Titsey and then abandon them in a snowdrift in the middle of the road "Sorry this is as far as I go"

And I want all hybrids banned from country lanes after nearly getting run over by a poxy silent Prius walking the dog last year!!!!

[CwazyWabbit]

The first glimmer of hope for a while.

Thank you for finding that Mark.

Where did it come from?

Martin

Martin reading that it looks to have come from Land Rover, maybe an information buletin to dealers perhaps? It makes mention of Customers (I imagine TFL would refer to us as minions or serfs) and it refers to the DVLA as if it's a seperate entity.

[jules]

I still don't understand why "City Cars" are not subjected to a motorway tax or country side tax. I pay more to drive a Range Rover in a city there for it's only democratic for the city car to pay to use roads its not intended for.

[CwazyWabbit]

Well they should definitely tax those city cars if they try to drive in the snow, it's something they are not designed for and they clog up all the roads for us.

[gazelle]

Martin reading that it looks to have come from Land Rover, maybe an information buletin to dealers perhaps? It makes mention of Customers (I imagine TFL would refer to us as minions or serfs) and it refers to the DVLA as if it's a seperate entity.

You are as usual correct.

I have just spoken to a dealer (the supplying dealer of my 90 as it happens) and they read out from their system this statement word for word.

Cheers

[MJIbex]

You are as usual correct.

I have just spoken to a dealer (the supplying dealer of my 90 as it happens) and they read out from their system this statement word for word.

Cheers

Correct it is an internal buletin to clarify the confusion about the new regs. I thought it may clear up the topic a bit.

Mark.

[gazelle]

Correct it is an internal buletin to clarify the confusion about the new regs. I thought it may clear up the topic a bit.

Mark.

It has prompted me to send in the V5, so thank you Mark. Previously LR would not commit to whether my 90CSW was an estate or a lu4x4. They have now decided and I for one am happy.(.....if I get the V5C back again from the DVLA and it not changed into one for a Kia Ceed or something else of course!)

Martin

[Top90]

I wonder if/when they are going to change this on the TFL system if it's true.

Because my 5 seat 110 station wagon (5 seats from new) is still showing up as compliant for the new rules in 2012.

1997 300Tdi.

03 Jan 2012 to onwards

Not Subject to LEZ

[reb78]

I wonder if/when they are going to change this on the TFL system if it's true.

Because my 5 seat 110 station wagon (5 seats from new) is still showing up as compliant for the new rules in 2012.

1997 300Tdi.

They better not, otherwise i'll be in the same boat as you and very annoyed.

[CwazyWabbit]

They better not, otherwise i'll be in the same boat as you and very annoyed.

Well it seems to be written as a statement of fact by Land Rover rather than just their view point.

It may (he says somewhat wishfully) be just Land Rovers interpretation of the rules and as such they might be stating these are the only vehicles they will support the DVLA changing..... howevever I'm not optimistic

TFL have said somewhere they get a new feed from the DVLA every 3 months and this is used to update the number plate checker.

Well seeing as nothing is going to change on the pre 98 V5C's and knowing the startling efficiency of TFL in this matter I doubt the checker will start showing people as non compliant.

The Flow chart is also of little use as surely the first question it asks (is it a car or light utility 4 x 4) is down to what your interpretation of the V5c, if it says PLG and Estate surely you are going to call it a bloody car and not a light utility in which case it says you are exempt straight away, which of course is taking no account of that Land Rover bulletin.

Sorry for prattling on and saying nothing of any use, just need to vent.

BTW didn't someone at TFL tell you last month they were waiting on a decision by the Mayor on the status of Land Rovers? Maybe he decided to shaft us

[reb78]

BTW didn't someone at TFL tell you last month they were waiting on a decision by the Mayor on the status of Land Rovers? Maybe he decided to shaft us

I'd forgotten about that. I suspect that any decision from the mayor will be linked with what land rover have released though. There is someone from land rover posting on the lro forum - i directed him to this thread, but he gave the same answer (almost word for word) as i've seen land rover release in several places. Land rovers desire to wash their hands of owners of older vehicles is dissapointing - it is such a shame since the heritage is what makes the brand what it is to a certain extent. CSWs of any age were clearly not commercial vehicles, so why say that they were?

[CwazyWabbit]

I'd forgotten about that. I suspect that any decision from the mayor will be linked with what land rover have released though. There is someone from land rover posting on the lro forum - i directed him to this thread, but he gave the same answer (almost word for word) as i've seen land rover release in several places. Land rovers desire to wash their hands of owners of older vehicles is dissapointing - it is such a shame since the heritage is what makes the brand what it is to a certain extent. CSWs of any age were clearly not commercial vehicles, so why say that they were?

It may be a somewhat misguided attempt to generate new Defender sales, misguided as I imagine most of us with older CSW's haven't got the spare cash to buy a new CSW.

[Retroanaconda]

It may be a somewhat misguided attempt to generate new Defender sales, misguided as I imagine most of us with older CSW's haven't got the spare cash to buy a new CSW.

Not to mentioned the fact that I wouldn't buy a Transfender over my 200Tdi CSW if they paid me

[landroversforever]

Not to mentioned the fact that I wouldn't buy a Transfender over my 200Tdi CSW if they paid me

If they paid you, would you have one as well?

[western]

Not to mentioned the fact that I wouldn't buy a Transfender over my 200Tdi CSW if they paid me

niether would I even if I was given one.

[Top90]

Very noble, but I think most of us would gladly except a free £27k asset.

Even if we didn't need it and sold it on to buy something else... like a Tdi one.

[Davedef90]

I understand people get attached to their vehicles but to refuse a PUMA is daft. IT is faster, quieter, more economical, has carpets, has a decent heater and aircon and a radio that works.

To turn this down out of principle doesn't make sense. Unless you are a luddite and frightened of all the knobs and buttons on the dash