Phill S Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Ebay flagged this up to me today, obv because I'd done previous searches for radiators. Chinese, jumbled between radiators and exhausts, jumbled between 1yr and 2yr warranty - and even some pseudo science thrown in!. Somewhat indifferent looking welding .All pictures show radiator upside down - none right way up... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125145592635?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3D27e4c900a7c44c3585a67631ddff53c4%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D125145592635%26itm%3D125145592635%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2060778%26brand%3DSupeedmotor&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507 Maybe not, just wondered... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I had my currently fitted radiator core replaced by Newquay Radiators at Roche Industrial estate in 2020, cost £146 core, painted & pressure tested, if your rad has brass end tanks, might be worth a phone call. https://www.radiator-repairs.co.uk/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Can't remember who I spoke to about this, the discussion went along the lines thatfull aluminium radiators if used hard they can be prone to cracking. - somthing to take into consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill S Posted July 16, 2022 Author Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, western said: I had my currently fitted radiator core replaced by Newquay Radiators at Roche Industrial estate in 2020, cost £146 core, painted & pressure tested, if your rad has brass end tanks, might be worth a phone call. https://www.radiator-repairs.co.uk/ They quoted me £600 plus vat for a brass ended plus integral oil cooler ex 19j rad :-/ 44 minutes ago, Maverik said: full aluminium radiators if used hard they can be prone to cracking Interesting - didn't know that Think I'll go with this one... 2 hours ago, Bowie69 said: Run It was just a thought. Somebody must be buying them though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, Phill S said: They quoted me £600 plus vat for a brass ended plus integral oil cooler ex 19j Wow was that for a brand new rad assembly or a rebuild, That's a huge jump in cost if it just a rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill S Posted July 17, 2022 Author Share Posted July 17, 2022 That's for a re-core. Followed up with the comment that it's a lot more expensive than it used to be. Drifting off topic now, but I'll probably go for the Britpart V8 all metal one. There don't seem to be any other affordable options... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Going back yo the aluminium one, they haven't even formed the bottom outlet properly, that and the lack of care around the welding just says no to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 The radiator in mine is a supeed granted is for a 200tdi. It's ok for the money but I did need to do some work on it to clear the restricted flow on the oil cooler. Given the chance I'd have a brass rad but they are over double the price. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill S Posted July 17, 2022 Author Share Posted July 17, 2022 Yeah, I'd not come across them before and just wondered... 45 minutes ago, miketomcat said: mine is a supeed granted is for a 200tdi How long have you had it? Think I'll go a different way, but it would be useful to know how its worked out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 It's only been in there 6 months, the previous radiator (also Ali but a different make) managed 4 years before it started cracking around the fins. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 After getting a quote for a Brass re-core - like above it was big money - the guy even said its probably not worth it - which I found a little odd. Anyway for the pricey sum of ~£90 I went for a Britpart Plastic/Alu unit. I know these had a bad reputation early on, but I've had a few fold who've been running them for a good while and they've not had a problems. I put one in last year and I've not exactly done huge miles on it it seems fine and does it job a hell of a lot better than a Brass rad less half its fins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Ive fitted plenty of plastic ones and not had any issues. Look how many modern cars, plant and wagons have them... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Yeah, to be honest I've stopped caring about having a 'proper' one, the plastics have come on massively in recent years -yes, harder to repair, but you can limp most things with gaffer tape and cable ties as long as you run with the rad cap loose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Bowie69 said: yes, harder to repair I ran a cracked plastic radiator in my P38 for years with just some high-temp epoxy smeared over the crack without issue. Only replaced it because I didn't want to take the risk on a long trip. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill S Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 Well personally speaking I'm not fussed about what it's made of as long as it works and is reliable. I've got a V8 3.9 EFi and I'm going to hot places - and the UK is getting hotter too! So I'm looking for the fattest fella I can find. That doesn't cost a fortune. And don't want the integral oil cooler. The regular 3.5 carb models seem to be ESR76 and ESR203 (parts book p596) - anybody know the difference between those? I'm assuming ESR76 is skinnier - Island are listing them as also for the 2.5NA diesel: https://www.island-4x4.co.uk/radiator-petrol-25na-britpart-esr76-esr79-p-6013.html That's the engine I'm replacing so I have that radiator already? I'll give Island a ring later, but any other contenders I should be thinking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 On 7/16/2022 at 9:44 PM, Phill S said: They quoted me £600 plus vat for a brass ended plus integral oil cooler ex 19j rad :-/ Is it worth getting another quote: https://www.kenallenradiators.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonimouse Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Arrow radiators are still sensible money for a re-core. Sercs are pretty good. I wouldn't use anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill S Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Anderzander said: Is it worth getting another quote You're right - I'd recoiled in horror. Called Ken Allen - they reckoned around £400 plus VAT I feel myself drifting towards the rocky shores of Britpart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, Phill S said: You're right - I'd recoiled in horror. Called Ken Allen - they reckoned around £400 plus VAT I feel myself drifting towards the rocky shores of Britpart... I ran my truck on the VNT last year with the britpart rad and a VNT does run hot, and never had a problem with the Britpart rad. for the price you can replace it a good few times if you need too! - its a shame to have to revert to such logic in my opinion, but I was pretty much exactly where you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Blimey I had my 80” re-cored a couple of years back, and I can’t remember the exact cost but it was at least half that price, and that was with a huge core and replacing the feed and return pipes with larger ones to match the new engine - and with 70 year old tanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidW Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 I've been running the Britpart plastic ended 19J type rad with built in oil cooler with my 3.9 v8 for a few years and it hasn't failed yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill S Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 hours ago, DavidW said: I've been running the Britpart plastic ended 19J type rad with built in oil cooler with my 3.9 v8 for a few years and it hasn't failed yet. Bingo! I think that's the one I want. Any chance you could measure the thickness of the matrix for me? I dragged out my radiator collection this morning: Left to right: My original 2.5 NA diesel one ESR79 48mm thick The 19J one I've been getting prices to re-core NTC6168 - with oil cooler - 65mm My Disco donor one 51mm So yours must be NTC6168? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffR Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Up in sunny Northumberland, alloy radiators (regardless of brand) last about two winters before they turn to dust and all the fins drop off, the amount of salt spray in the winter is horrendous... Proper brass n copper jobbies are the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill S Posted July 22, 2022 Author Share Posted July 22, 2022 14 hours ago, JeffR said: salt spray in the winter is horrendous Yeah - we get that down here in a different way 😉 14 hours ago, JeffR said: Proper brass n copper jobbies are the way to go I guess I'll keep my old 19J one on the shelf and think again when the Britpart one dies. This thread has moved a long way away from my original question, but has actually become very useful both to myself and anybody else figuring out what radiator to use. Is there a way to change the title? In the meantime if any kind soul can offer a measurement of the thickness of the stock V8 rad (ESR203?) and particularly the 19J one (NTC6168) I'd be eternally grateful. I'll be needing to place an order with Mr Britpart quite soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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